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jpe
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 Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:58 pm Post subject: Starting out in Auckland : A solo Filipina's perspective |
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Hi everyone,
It's been a while since I posted on this forum. Sorry, I was preoccupied with starting up my life here in Auckland since I arrived on 19th October. It's been really tough and I learned a lot from the experience, so I thought I'd share some insights from a Filipina without either a relative/friend, a home or a job, & not to mention, with only limited funds, coming here all by herself. Arrived with just 1 luggage, not knowing what to expect.
Accommodation
I arrived here with no place to live so I booked 1 week at the Ponsonby Backpackers Home. You get the 7th day free. Got the cheapest room (didn't feel comfortable sharing) of ~$35 per night, approx ~3sq m. Very basic - it may seem pathetic by Philippine standards staying in a such a small place, but hey, anything goes here. I didn't mind as long as I was comfy. The place is very clean and the owners, Diana and Yoshi, Kiwi and Korean, respectively, are very helpful and kind - giving me tips on how to get to places. Ponsonby is a lovely area with lots of cottages, just a 15-20 min steady walk to the CBD (Central Business District).
It took me days and miles and miles of walking to search for a flat/apartment/unit. The best place to start is the NZ Herald - Wednesday and Friday when you get the most ads. Better to view this online so you can save - their newspapers here are bulky, too. Unfortunately, most of the ads are posted by agents so you'll end up with the rent cost, the letting fee, and sometimes, the agent's fee as well. It's worthwhile to view the properties, the vicinity and the transportation. If you have kids, school should be a primary consideration, too. I was more concerned with living as far away from the city as possible, but with access to transportation. Other considerations were enough privacy, a courtyard/garden, lots of windows,2 bedroom and preferably separate kitchen. Why 2 bedroom? The landlords I've spoken to set a maximum number of tenants - which would pose a problem if family members visit. If you see really cheap 2 bedroom apartments in CBD, they're most likely be the ones designed for the Asian students of which major influx happened in the early 90's. I found them too small for my taste. And I was fed up of living in the city anyway. So, in desperation, I subscribed to HomeAds so I can get away with agents' fee and deal with the landlords directly. It's just a $100 annual membership which was fine to me as I expect to be moving around until I finally settle in anyway. So if you're in a search for a place to live, I can share this service with you. I get regular updates from them, it will spare you of the agents and letting fee. Just let me know how I can help.
You should also check the neighborhood where you want to be. A local told me to avoid places like Otahuhu, Mangere and Otara. These are middle-lower class places. I've been around Otahuhu - it can be compared to our Divisoria, Chinatown in Manila. You'll read a lot of gangster problems in those areas. These areas you'll witness more poverty and graffitti. If you're into Ayala Alabang type of areas, then go for Mt. EDen, One Tree Hill, Royal Oak, Remuera, Epsom, Mt. Wellington, and others. But those places I've mentioned, I have already seen. However, rent is higher. I chose one that's in an old and peaceful town, pretty much a retirement place - Onehunga.
Now, I'm pretty settled in my new home, here in Onehunga, a 45 min bus ride to CBD. It's quite an old fashioned 2 bedroom house. It needs a lot of work (paint falling out, bat cave garden, etc), but I've fallen in love with this new place. The kitchen attracted me the most; I have my own garden and tiny courtyard to dry my laundry (save electricity from using dryer), separate old fashioned kitchen and living room. It came unfurnished except for the only whiteware - the electric stove/oven. It's not bad for a $220 per week rent.
I moved in on 27th October, so you can imagine the panic to buy the basic necessities - a bed. After paying my 4 week bond and 1st week rent to my landlord, I rushed to the nearest furniture shop called Otahuhu Auctions. An Auction shop that sells 2nd hand stuff. Immediately purchased a sofa bed, a desk, a chair, washing machine, and a fridge - all 2nd hand, costing around $800. The only brand new stuff I bought were the doormats which cost $3 each. I befriended the owner, a Kiwi, and his partner. They were kind enough to drop the items at my place so I didn't have to sleep on the floor on my first night. And upon learning that I'm an IT consultant searching for a job, offered me to help install, implement and teach them a software they bought, MYOB (Mind Your Own Business) accounting system, to help run their business. I was delighted to find a temporary job, more to keep me busy. But I'll talk about jobs later.
When I arrived, it was late Spring. I underestimated the cold. My home didn't have central heating and I didn't buy a heater, so you can imagine me huddled in the sofa bed without a blanket all night, gritting my teeth to survive the cold. It was approx 20 degrees celsius. It was cooler inside the house than outside at daytime. The following day, I almost cried when I saw the eggs frozen, along with my vegetables inside the fridge. Everything I placed inside my fridge was frozen. Learned my lesson to keep the veggies and eggs outside.
Utilities
Another thing you should keep in mind when you move is the utility service. Although there was power (electricity) in the home, I had to ring them to transfer the account to my name. I had to find out who the provider was first. YOu can ring any electricity provide i.e. Empower and they can find out where the account of the home is. Take note - make sure you write down the meter reading when you arrive. I forgot to do this, and it's only 3 days after that I gave them my meter reading. Here, you not only deal with the electric provider, but also the transmission provider. In Manila you only have to deal with Meralco, not Napocor. Here though, although the transmission costs are incorporated in your power costs, the provider of the transmission will stay in touch with you as well, just in case you have problems with the transmission. So it's like talking to both Meralco and Napocor. I created my account by phone, so no initial cash outlay. All dues will be on the first billing. A bond and 1st month due are expected.
Another thing was the phone. A lot of transactions here are done by phone. So it pays to have good English. I had to ring Telecom to activate the line. Fortunately, I didn't have to get it installed for it's been there already - which saved me around $99 installation fee. In this case, it's very fast, you can get connected in 2-3 days. For instance, I applied on a Thursday, I had an active phone line the following day. I had to buy my own phone though - which was only $40. Telecom also supplies phones but I found them more expensive. It helps to shop around to get the best deal. When you set up an account with Telecom, you're expected to pay a bond and the monthly service, all due on your first billing.
During my stay in Ponsonby, I immediately purchased a cellphone from Vodafone. It the best way for potential employers to contact me wherever I was. Texting here is very common, so we Filipinos have an edge  Phone calls are very expensive though. It costs me $2 for each phone call, or maybe I just miscalculated that. Also, when you load up your prepaid account (here they prepay), you call that 'top up'. So if you want to 'buy a load' as we would say in Manila, you want to 'top up your pre pay'. IT seems the costs for texting locally and internationally are the same. It was how I stayed in touch with my family back in Manila.
Internet is also a common means of communication and transactions here. Almost everything can be done over the internet. I subscribed to Telecom's broadband service, got a good deal of $39.95 per month (the cheapest), time unlimited, but limited to 1GB of download. They request for a bond though ($90), due next billing. Their service is efficient, because I was already a TElecom phone subscriber, they activated my broadband in 3 working days, also giving me temporary free dial up service. If you have a laptop, go for the Plan 100 which comes with the wireless network card, allowing you to hook up anytime anywhere in NZ.
Transportation
Just like in any other city, it's hard to get around without your own car. I didn't have the luxury of having a friend or relative to drive me around either. Worse, it's left hand side driving!! So that's a major consideration. I survived though, thanks to my stamina, walking, walking, walking.
The bus system here is very good (by Philippine standards). There are bus schedules and different routes in the CBD and nearby suburbs, ferries to North Shore and trains to other destinations. The key here is to understand how to use the system. Buses at times arrive either late or early. So you have to give some allowance for your trip. While this seems to be efficient, it's not as convenient as the bus system in the Philippines where you almost have lots of choices at any point in time, because we don't follow schedules . Here, the bus system is called Maxx. You can either phone, text or browse on the internet (http://regan.maxxdesign.co.nz/). They can also provide tiny booklets of various routes and bus schedules. I suggest that this early, you orient yourselves with this system. Initially, I didn't plan my daily trips well enough so I spent a day checking out only 2 apartments, maximum, which was not productive at all. I became wiser, so I grouped the apartments by vicinity and studied the buses routes. I texted the MAXX system and a computer would reply back on the times and the route number of the bus. I didn't know at first that it was a computer, so I texted it with a lengthy description of my destination. MAXX texted back ' Sorry, I'm a computer, please text your bus route number, street number, etc, etc.'
At first I didn't know how to ride a bus. I stood there a the bus stop one time and my bus just drove past me. A woman told me I had to flag them down. I wanted to cry because the next bus was due 45 mins later and it was getting dark. Had no choice but to huddle in the bus stop in 20 degrees celsius. Getting around the CBD is convenient though. There is the Link bus, it's called. It just goes around the city - just like the Makati bus (forgot what it's called). And standard fare is $1.50.
Oh, there are ways to save on commuting. Just find out the details when you get here. If you are a frequent commuter, just get a monthly rider card and 'top up' if you run out. Here, when you get on the bus, you pay first. Even if it takes ages for each and every passenger to get on, each pays the bus driver upon getting on. You either pay cash or use your rider card. The bus driver has a ticketing machine. You only have tell him how many stage (or leg) you need, he punches some buttons and a ticket is issued. Upon getting off, it's common courtesy to thank the bus driver. People getting off from the back, just shout, 'Thank you driver!!' Students and old people alike do that. It's good practice to greet the bus driver when you step into the bus though. Here, it's normal to treat each and everyone with respect, regardless of the profession. Inside the bus, just be aware of areas that are meant for the elderly and disabled. Also, here, although bus drivers would be willling to take or drop passengers at non bus stop areas upon request, it's better to be picked up or dropped off at the designated bus stops so as not to disrupt the scheduled service. Watch out for tiny box signs on some posts indicating bus stops. There, you can hail any bus that drives along. DRivers here are just as good as drivers back home People drive fast around here. Most people respect the traffic rules though.
Another note when taking buses, they drive on the left hand side of the road. Make sure you take a map along with you. For instance, on several occasions, I would wait on the wrong side of the road, so instead of heading North, I always head South (and that made me go places outside of the city). Same with trains. Make sure you are waiting on the correct side of the road to get to your destination. If unsure, just ask the bus driver. People don' tmind if you ask around here.
If you want to orient yourself with a the left hand side driving, a good way is to sit on the first row, so you can get a feel of the driving and know your bearing as well. It helped me a lot. Quite confusing but it was effective. When I rented a car over a weekend (to do groceries and minor shopping for the house), it came out naturally. Occassionally though, I found myself turning on the wiper instead of the indicator (signal light they call it here). Be sure that you read the driving and parking rules before you drive around here. The Philippine driver's license is valid for 1 year here. Then you can contact AA to apply for a driver's license. You should take time to orient yourself with the directions of where you're headed. The car rental company would be happy to lend you an AA driving map. As the manager advised me, when I was too nervous to even start, it's mind driving. Just keep your focus and as another friend advised me, make sure your side is in the middle of teh road. Keeping that in mind while driving will ensure that you're driving on the right side of the road. Such tips are helpful.
If you want to buy a car, which everyone would advise that you do upon arrival, go for the 2nd hand first just to save. Lots and lots of choices around here. People seem to replace their cars upon release of a new model. You get lots of ads through circulars every weekend. Another source is Trade & Exchange (http://www.te.co.nz/TEProject/general/) ad paper, it's just like our Buy & Sell in Manila. Or the most popular right now is the Trade me Auction website (http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/login.asp) which functions just like eBay, online auctioning. I got my ADSL modem for only $50 from this site.  Now I'm bidding for a queen sized bed and a 2nd hand car.
I tried to apply for financing but the finance companies I talked with disqualified me as soon as they learned I'm not a resident. Some would allow you if you give an agreed minimum deposit.
Banking
Not much to tell about this as I didn't shop around for rates. I just needed a bank account and based on the feedback I've read on forums and a friend, ASB is best as they have branches in the UK, I saw on in Singapore as well. It's also part of the Cirrus network so you can even withdraw your money from Metrobank using ASB, however, the transaction fee fro ATM withdrawal is $7.00 which is pretty expensive. It's either you come here with your cash or have bank transfers. I read somewhere that HSBC makes this easier. They can transfer HSBC accounts to HSBC here. Just shop around and see the bank that suits your best interest.
Credit cards is hard to get though. ASB required me a $5,000 deposit which I didn't have at the time, so I ended up using my Manila Citibank credit card. Here, their debit card system is called EFTPOS. You can use your ATM EFTPOS card in majority of stores, even the simple Tip Top stores (in Manila, the sari-sari stores) have EFTPOS machines. I only came across a couple of Chinese restaurants that only accept cash.
I met a Filipina banker in ASB Onehunga and she gave me a lot of helpful hints on managing my finances. Among her tips is to make sure you establish a good credit standing in a bank so you can loan out for housing and autos soon. She's been here in NZ for 6 years. She said, here, it is common to have loans. Vendors are, most of often than not, more than willing to give you loans and financing - before you know it, you have a lot of debts to pay.
Basic necessities & practical living
With regard to where you can buy cheap stuff, there are lots of options. If you want really fresh veggies and fruits at a cheapest price, Pak N Save, is a place to go. It's like our SM department stores in Manila, or Makro. But quality is very good. Another common option is Foodtown, although just yesterday, I compared prices, and Pak N Save still turns out cheaper. Veggies and fruits here are delightful and at a cheap price. It really feels so heavenly to eat home made salads and veggies. Asparagus, mushrooms, broccoli are very cheaper, comparable to the prices in Manila. Meat here is excellent. They don't shrink like the meat in Manila and are tastier than those in the US. They say that The Mad Butcher is where you can find the cheapest meat. Have not visited those as yet because I don' thave a car, but will surely do one of these days. I buy my meat from Pak N Save. The fish is expensive. There is a fish market and small fish shops around town. YOu might want to shop around and see which are most inexpensive.
When it comes to home improvement, accessories, and utilities, The Warehouse is a place to go -just like SM. I bought my brooms, dustpan, kitchen cutleries, etc from there. There's also K Mart and other places worth checking out. One stop shops are not as common as in Manila. Shops here are specialty stores, just like in the US. And of course, if you want the Divisoria, Asian products, imported from China, it's worth visiting the Otahuhu town centre. You can see products from China and from the Pacific Islands. You also get to see more Maoris and other Pacific Islanders there. There is a huge Asian food court if you are craving for Asian food. Lots of Chinese with their own Chinese run stores. Indians are very common here too. They run a lot of businesses.
If you have shipment, it makes sense to ship products from Manila as you can save a lot upon arrival here. If you convert the costs to Peso currency, You're still better off using your old kitchen stuff from Manila. The key here is to know where to find the cheap stuff.
Job hunting
Which I considered the most important such that I went to an interview the following day to my arrival in Auckland. Yep, I jumped right into interviews - 2 interviews a day for the 1st week and up to now, no offer. Most of the recruiting goes through agents. The ads that you see on SEEK IT seem promising but it's a different story when you get here. As I am marketing myself as an IT SAP project manager, and seeking either that or a Business Analyst role, it's quite tough. I was feeling really despondent last week because no progress in all my applications. Either the process is slow, I'm over qualified, or I'm underqualified. The fact is, the demand for my skills is there, but it's the lean period for recruiting. Two agents have told me that this is not a good time to apply, thru December - January months. People do tend to move from one job to another so January season is a good time to apply. A Kiwi told me that here in NZ, people generally jump from one company to another, unlike in Japan where people work for a company for life. Also, the recruiting process here takes a long time. Another Indian confirmed that to me. One of the agents told me, you'd need at least 4 weeks to get hired - well that is, if you go through a recruiting agency. Otherwise, you could get one directly.
Fortunately, I had lowered my expectations prior to coming here so low that I am willing to take on whatever job there is. There are lot of jobs around, don't get me wrong. Some jobs though require you to have NZ experience, which I personally think is irrelevant in IT since the IT standards are the same globally. If you're in IT, by the way, you should make sure you get Microsoft or Java certifications or work experience. Web programming is very hot here too. And data warehouse or Business Intelligence.
Lots of jobs around - in sales, office administration, call centre, and helpers. The key to survival is not to be choosy. YOu can temp while on a permanent job search. Last night, I found some opportunities in farm helping to be appealing. It's a great idea because I have not seen the countryside since I've arrived. I'd have yet to see the beauty that NZ offers. And farm volunteering is an option. Check out www.fhinz.co.nz. There are lots of seasonal jobs around - like strawberring picking and other stuff. Lots of volunteer jobs, too. Filipinos will not have a problem because we speak very good English. I think NZ will soon realize at the strong potential we Filipinos bring into this country.
When you apply for a job, make your CV presentable. Bring your passport with you at all times as you would sometimes need to supply a copy of your passport front page as well as the work visa. The agents are very helpful, they'll give you interview tips and other advice on improving your CVs. They key is to find right agent. Don't ask me as I have yet to see the results of my applications to know who's best. They've all been very helpful, it's just that it's taking such a long time. Note also, that some of the agents only deal with the HR of companies, so in most cases, applicants are all piled up and ignored if you don't have the key points that HR is looking for. Good to find an agent that has contacts directly with the line managers. Also, when you sign up with a recruiting agent, you will be asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement. AGents will ask you the companies you've already applied for. Most of them tell me how they hate it when their applicants, upon finding out which companies they are lined up for, would apply to the companies directly. YOu have to respect that agreement with them. Let them do the applications for you when you sign up with them.
Well except for the temporary job the the furniture owners offered me, I am not really in the position to give solid advice regarding job applications. I'm in the dark at the moment, and will be a bum starting Monday. Agents discouraged me from seeking temporary jobs because companies may hesitate to hire you if you're already hired.
So anyway, wish me luck on the job hunt.
Support
As soon as I arrived, I tried to contact the KIT officer listed on our letter from NZIS. Unfortunately, I didn't find my officer helpful as she required me to find a more permanent address because I was staying at the backpackers at the time. I subscribed for a 3 month mailbox at the Travel Contact centre that was suggested on the Backpack New Zealand Forum site, however, the KIT officer didn't acknowledge that, too. It was only when I transferred to this new home that I was entertained and my profile updated on the NZIS database. I was told to expect a welcome pack but have not received it as yet. I tried to apply to the Kiwi Ora programme but that too failed because they only serve immigrants - with permanent resident visa. I was extremely disappointed because all the practical things I needed at the time, I had to learn by myself, painstakingly.
If you ask me why I didn't contact other Filipino Kiwi wannabes, I guess I was too proud. I wanted to go through the transition process myself. My mind was very open and I figured I'd be more receptive if I jump into life here by myself instead of having my comfort zone. It also helped me blend into the society faster. Now, people think I'm a local. They can hardly believe that I've been here only for 3.5 weeks. I know my way around and can talk to anyone. I don't fear the streets, or even the bus stations in Otahuhu or Mangere. I feel I can go anywhere I want - up to the end of NZ and feel safe. I still keep my light on at night though . Perhaps it's living for 2 years in the US, 6 months in Nigeria and other countries by myself that I learned to adjust fast. However, it does take courage to get into the state I am now. Most of the Asian migrants who come here are couples or families or have families here. It's uncommon to find someone like me - a solo immigrant.
I have survived, yes. However, I still advise you to seek temporary accommodation with someone you know here to help you get started. Going through the process as I did is expensive and at the moment, I'm pretty broke, but a lot of character now . Once I'm fully settled in, I'd be most happy to help out and accommodate you. Will let you know.
Others
I came across a question on permanent address requirement for banks and IRD. No, you don't need a permanent address. I set up my account with ASB using th ePonsonby Backpackers address. I used the Travel Contact Centre address for applying IRD. I had no problems whatsoever, it's only with the NZIS that I did. I was also told that a work-to-residence visa does entitle you to get approval for permanent residency after 3 months, but you still have to go through the EOI process again. It confuses me but not to be bothered at the moment as I have more pressing things to tackle. Will figure that out after three months when I'm settled in.
People here are very, very friendly. I was turned off when I arrived because I was in the city. The farther you are from the city, the kinder people are - Maoris and NZ Pakeha (the British descendants) are. I've been offered rides by a number of people at the bus stops or when they see me walking with lots of groceries. It's relatively safe here. A Kiwi told me that here, people don' thave pick pocket skills so you're not likely to encounter pickpockets. Best to keep watch of your belongings though, especially in the rough areas where there are occurrences of people snatching your bag - in the Otahuhu, Mangere areas I think (although I can be mistaken). Here, people leave their car doors open. People are very helpful here. I started feeling so much at home on my 3rd day. Children aren't shy, they greet, smile and genuinely say hello, especially in the suburbs. It's a very relaxed atmosphere. Don't be disappointed when you encounter rude people in the city though. People are in a rush in CBD - it's just like in Singapore. You'd sometimes find the migrants themselves unfriendly at first. That's just an observation. Not everyone though. YOu have to be outgoing yourself - talk to people, just talk - about the weather, about yourself. Who knows what information you can find. For instance, I complained about the sun here to the attendant of the car rental company (when he dropped me off at the CBD upon returning the car) and he advised me to put sunblock lotion every 2 hours under the sun, and pure aloe vera gel to sunburn. Truly effective. Oh I forgot to mention - put sunblock here - the Ozone layer is thinner and the sun truly hurts - it's like being in a desert. Manila is hotter, but here, you can feel the direct heat of the sun. STrangely though, the wind is cold, so you can't help but wear sweaters on a sunny day.
Oh, the community centres are great here. You have free access to the community libraries. They're networked. I applied for a card for free. YOu can book books, DVDs online. You check out your items by yourselves, too.
Hope my experience will help you a bit. I don't have a job next week so if there is anything you'd like me to research on, I'd be most happy to help as best as I can. Most information can be found on the web though, but I'd be happy to guide you. I am still in the learning mode myself but will try to share as much information as I can.
In the meantime, to help prepare yourselves, read up on what's going on here in Auckland. Be informed - it'll help you in the transition process. Increase your awareness and get a feel of the environment you're going to be in. Helpful sites :
www.aucklandstuff.co.nz
www.aucklandcity.govt.nz
seasonal work
www.alphajobs.co.nz
www.worldwideworkers.com
www.seasonalwork.co.nz
While I have yet to explore the natural beauty of NZ, nature is not far at all. Just take a ferry to Devonport from Auckland Viaduct, you'll be captured with awe by the beauty of the islands and the water. A pleasant feeling when your ferry is surrounded by yachts and speedboats. Auckland is truly the city of sails. The water at the bay is very clean - you won't smell the Manila Bay scent at all. Just last week, there was a triathlon competition from the Viaduct to the Devonport. People swam along with the ferries. And thousands participated. I couldn't, I'm too scared to swim in open water. When you visit the quaint and lovely Devonport, make sure you visit the North Head. You'll have a beautiful view of Auckland. Just a pick a spot. A walk along the beachfront is soothing as well. You'll be surrounded by familiies and children who fearlessly jump into the water anywhere, or build sandcastles. It seems you can swim anywhere here. There is a strong sense of close family ties here, even in Auckland!! Oh, I have not seen a single sheep since I've arrived. That's my next goal.
Also, I have not had any problem with my language. American English or Filipino English is okay - you can get by and be easily understood. Just speak slowly. If you have trouble understanding - Auckland is very cosmopolitan - you'll talk to Kiwi English and Non Kiwi Non English speakers, just ask them to elaborate or repeat just to ensure that communication is clear. To help you prepare, watch the Australian and BBC channels in Manila. Those English accents come close to NZ accent, though not exact. For instance, their seven here sounds siven. Park sounds and is said as Pahk!! yes, with exclamation mark. Eight is like Ayt. The letter 'R' like British english is silent when preceeded by a vowel (I think )).
To those who are patiently and impatiently waiting for their WTR visas, do be patient. Behind everything is a reason. Perhaps it's God's way of telling you that now's not the right time to come here i.e. job hunting season, etc. Trust in God's will. He knows what best for you. And He will surely lead you the way. He has been to me.
All the best.
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yoyong
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:19 am Post subject: Great post...thanks for sharing your experiences in NZ |
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jpe,
thanks a lot for sharing to us your experiences in NZ. its a reality check for us who are raring to get there. Good luck and may the good Lord bless you always....
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jdala
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thank you very much jpe for sharing your experience.
i am into IT too, i currently worked here in japan,
and would like to migrate there in new zealand.
i would say, i am already familiar on the right-hand driving system 
anyways, good luck!
regards,
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jesse
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len
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hi jpe,
thanks a lot for that NZ experience.
it's one of the best and most informative post
i've read on this forum and anywhere else.
incidentally, we are also zooming in on Auckland.
so, your experience is a lot of help to us.
best regards,
arlen
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elijah daniel
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jpe
Thank you very much for a very informative essay that you have shared to us. Regards to your job hunts. The information you have shared is a big of help. |
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shiemarie
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hi JPE,
Your experience on settling to NZ was indeed very informative and impressing, taking note on the fact that your went there, by yourself. O, im gonna miss my family if I go there alone..(I hope not! ) I have been taking notes of all the necessary points you have mentioned there, even saving your full experience on my files.. Im in the ITA stage already, plan to lodge it first week of December. Hopefully, the process would go smoothly to fly to nz with my family and be able to meet you in person..(if you're not that busy with your work! )I'd be so glad in meeting you. You are a very remarkable person..u easily get along with the people there..I hope I'd be able to do the same. Goodluck to you in searching for your job and God Bless!
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JUSJON
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: What's your contact email and no. ? |
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Hi JPE ,
What's your no ? or contact e-mail addy . ? I would like to ask for more questions? |
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sesame
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Hi jpe,
Ang galing galing mo naman. Sana kahit kaunti ng tapang mo at determinasyon mo ay makuha namin pag dating dyan. Mabuhay ka. Nabasa ko don sa isang subject na nag kita na kayo ni Corex, very useful talaga itong thread na ito. Sana makakita na kayo work. I am eagerly waiting for next post. Bye. |
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jpe
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Hello all,
Thanks for the posts. I can't view all messages - not sure why (and I claim I'm in IT!!). I've written Garry, I hope he can help.
Corah has lots of information to share, so we both agreed she'll do most of the posting I'll try fill some in, too. Pity we both have no cameras, and both are inclined to save up for digital SLRs.
cheers,
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manilaman
Joined: 09 Oct 2005
Posts: 7
Location: Manila, Philippines
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:12 am Post subject: Congratulations! |
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01. You bring to mind my Mother -http://mymotherinheaven.blogspot.com. And I have no doubt that you would get to find your "Fulfillment-in-Life".
02. I am a Filipino Senior seeking a financially rewarding "Second Life" -http://afilipinosenior.blogspot.com.
03. I love relating to people and viewing the beauty of Nature. And I view NZ as a country with hospitable Kiwis inhabiting their own "Paradise-on-Earth". Despite my age, I am quick to adapt to new environments. I am thrilled with "New Challenges" in life.
04. Would you consider NZ right for me? God bless. |
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jpe
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 26
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: Suggested checklist |
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Hi, me again.
Had a wonderful time with Corah yesterday. And her hosts are extremely helpful, referring me to Filipino IT contacts. Seems Glen Eden (also part of Auckland region) is a haven of Filipinos, just like the Makati Avenue - Korean haven
While my experience may seem courageous, it was foolish, so don't pursue the same path unless you're as crazy as I am who's willing to take risks and throw your lifesavings. Fortunately, we're here to help you out and other Kiwis who are as keen to help as we are. Experiences and points of view vary from one person to another, so don't generalize. Explore and take advantage of all opportunities you encounter.
This is just a suggested checklist (from my POV - point of view) for those you are preparing for their transition.
Pre-departure
1) Finances
Won't add anymore as I've seen other posts that make more sense. Just make sure you bring in the amount you had promised NZIS. It'll help you survive for at least 1-2 months.
2) Clothes
It's getting warmer here, but again each has a different level of tolerance from the other. Kiwis tell me it gets as high as 30 degrees celsius in December to FEbruary - the peak summer months. I know most of you must have arranged shipment. However, do make sure you bring the following in your luggage :
- walking shoes (no high heels, CBD is hilly like San Francisco; unless you're a ballroom dancer who can prance with stiletto;) for casual, decent shoes for interviews and church (and parties?); sneakers or rubber shoes for casual or exercise; slippers / sandals
- shirts, dress, skirts and trousers; yes, you can bring your mini skirts if your knees can stand the cold - I see a lot walking around. Unless you expect to be working immediately, I suggest a week's worth of casual clothes as you will be touring around during the early weeks
- stockings or socks either for daily use or evening use (if your feet gets too cold like mine)
- jackets / sweaters - unless you're used to the Baguio or Tagaytay weather at this time of the year, you can do without this. Note though, right now, it's around 29 degrees, the wind is cold because it blows from the pacific. Kinda weird but that's how it is. If you've been to the US, it's like being in
San fransisco and Chicago. It's like November in Tokyo. I think it's windier in Wellington though
- sleeping attire or house clothes,i.e. robes if you expect sharing accommodation and pajamas or sleeping clothes
3) Accessories and self maintenance (toiletries)
Ladies, bring your makeup and beauty maintenance stuff to last for a few months. I am not into this, however, try to save and not spend on these stuff when you arrive here. Oh by the way, you don't need too much make up when you get here. People even in offices are very simple. Or maybe it's due to their fair skin?
Just make sure you bring lots of sunblock lotion. It's more expensive here I think. I bought the cheapest from Pak N Save SPF15 for $7.99, in Manila it would have cost me only Php500 or so in SM.
As for the guys, hmm, bring your shaving stuff, I suppose. Sorry, can't help much in this area.
Depending on how often you change your toothbrush, bring extras. Toothpaste can last long so don't worry about that. Hair accessories are cheap at $1 stores, but less choices. Anything that you're used to in Manila to beautify yourselves, get from there. Here, there are either less choices or expensive. I bought a big chuck-chack for $1 and that's what I've been using ever since. Bought a hairbrush for $4.00 which I could have gotten in Manila for Php 80 only. Even if the difference is small, bunch them up and you could save tens of NZ dollars.
Make sure you have enough nail maintenance set - clippers or nail cutter. If you are high maintenance on toes, bring your pedicure set. Feet are the most abused part of the body here in NZ - that is, if you're commuting like me. Oh, you should read Ka Uro's blog on walking barefoot here. Yup, you do see lots of people barefoot. I'd like to try that someday.
Bring a small set of ear buds, cotton, etc. you may opt to bring some shampoo, soap and other lotion if you don't wnt to buy here or if you are loyal to certain brands. Pumice stone is expensive here - $5...I should have brought my broken pumice!
Towels, yes, you could bring. Good if you're taking my path which is not seeking accommodation. Otherwise you can buy here.
Bring a pair of shades. The sun glares here every 5 minutes. If you have one that you can easily flip up, that's better. The sun appears and disappears every 5 minutes ask Corah.
4) Medicines
If you have maintenance drugs or medication you take regularly or occasionally - get a good supply in Manila before you leave. Remember, we are on work visas so we're not entitled to free basic treatment in case we get ill, and medicines tend to be expensive here. For instance, I bought 5 tablets of paracetamol for around $7 - well that's because I didn't know better and had no choice then - had to buy at a small Tip Top shop. A good medical kit is a great idea - prepare a bunch from Manila.
5) List of contacts
Mobile phones, addresses, home phones and email of your friends back in the Philppines so you can stay in touch. Very important are contact information of your employers for reference. Same with your NZ contacts.
6) Photocopies of your documents
The cheapest photocopy in Onehunga is 20 cents. Don't photocopy in CBD - it's 50 cents ++. Do all the photocopying in Manila if you have to. Note, the paper standard here in NZ is A4 so prepare all your documents in A4. Format your resume or CV or letters as such. It makes sense to prepare photocpies of your passport with the work visa, letter from NZIS and perhpas CV (but you'll be making changes when you get here).
Bring your driver's license. Don't apply for international drivers license anymore. Your Phil license is valid 1 year.
Before I left, I took lots of 1x1, 2x2 photos. Not necessary here. The banker laughed at me when I offered my photos. She said lots of people offer their photos so I explained that in the Philppines, we submit 2 photos for certain business transactions. Nope, no need tos pend on that.
Bring original documents i.e. diplomas, transcript, NZ letter, etc. just in case although I didn't find the need for them. Can't believe I used around 3 kgs for these things I didn't need!! Grr..
7) Confidence, Language, Faith and open mind
Prepare well for these. Your experience could be better or worse than ours, so prepare yourself well. It's all a mindset and, of course, skills. Recall the nitty gritty details of your work experience. Improve your English. Take note, listening is just as important as the speaking. IT's not enough to be able to generate thoughts, but also to receive - so listen to the Australian / BBC channels.
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Roaming seems cost effective for both you and family back in PHils. Corah can share more of this. I decided not to roam with Globe so I had to buy a Vodafone SIM and cellphone when I got here (see previous post).
I can't survive without music. So you might want to bring a couple of CDs with you. Make sure they're not original not pirated ok? It's illegal to travel with pirated CDs. Data backups are fine though. I brought CDs of my personal data files. Hey, memory sticks are cheaper here than in Manila. You can buy a 1gb USB memory stick for $19 or something.
Bring a rosary and a Bible to help you in desperate times. Photos of families you'll be leaving behind. I don't have frames, but I printed them out and they are the last I see before bed and the first when I awake. They are my inspiration.
Bring stationary supplies - letter envelops, pad paper, notebook, pens, not too bulky.
As for shipment - bring bed linens and kitchenware. Comforters and duvets are expensive here ~$30++ for queensize bed. There are cheaper ones though which I have not explored.
That's all for now. Will share more later.
Wished this helped. Btw, for those who asked my contact info - see my response to Corah's post.
Cheers,
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jpe
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 26
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:05 pm Post subject: Replies |
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Folks, I still have not figured out a way to view all the messages except when I post a reply, so I apologize for not acknowledging some of them.
We have a new arrival - Marichu from Epsom. Marichu - thanks for the PM. Good to know you're nearby - Epsom area. Will text you this afternoon.
Manilaman, thanks so much for sharing your blog. I wish I possess such eloquence as you do. My high regard to your beloved mother. She is truly an inspiration.
As for whether NZ is right for you or not, only you alone can tell. Perhaps coming over to visit and witness NZ from a living perspective, not from a tourist's, is the best way to assess whether this is the place for you. I came here for that reason - to check it out, live a few years before I finally decide to die here.
NZ immigration requirement is also something you'd have to deal with. I'm afraid your age will automatically disqualify you from Skilled migrant. Your hope would be to come here as an investor / entrepreneur, or by petition of a relative, or perhaps as a political asylum? (ok, so I made that up). My parents who are about the same age as yours can't wait for 3 years before I can petition them, and the only hope is to come here as investors -in doing that, NZIS requires a minimum of NZ$1,000,000, yes i million, feasibility study of your proposed business here in NZ, and proof of years of practice. You have very rich experience. And by reading your blog and profile, I think you'd find NZ appealing. Another option is to apply for a work visa. It's hard to apply overseas because from what I've gathered, companies prefer applicants who are already here - unless your skills are rare. Have you explored any work opportunity? I wish I can help provide more information. While we all aim to have a financially secured future, we all have to start from scratch, as we are now doing. All Filipinos granted WTR visas are professionals, majority are of managerial positions in Manila just like myself. But as you can see, we're all aiming for clerical, data entry, etc temporary jobs to begin our careers here. I dont' think there is any shortcut. I do not wish to discourage you, but explore all the avenues. See if you can apply directly to companies such as Fonterra, Farmers. They may have opportunities in quality control, distribution and production.
I also have asked my parents to check out and prepare a feasibility study on bamboo furniture exports from the Philippines. Here, bamboo is called cane. I proposed this idea to the Kiwi furniture owners who employed me temporarily, who have also become my friends, and he's quite interested. The problem is the treatment of bamboo since NZ is strict in wood products. I do think it has great potential in the market here and I think Philippines should take advantage of such opportunities. My parents started a foundation for Tapaznons to help through livelihood projects and I think it's a good work opportunity for the indigenous Tapaznons. Perhaps something you'd like to explore? I wrote to my parents, asking them to find out the resourcing, production, packaging and shipping costs. I offered the furniture owner that we shoulder the cost of shipping maybe 2 or 3 furniture sets and see how it sells before jumping into full blown production. If you are interested, it's probably a project worth undertaking. Right now, my parents are having problems with the internet so have not really gotten full details from them.
Junjon - sorry for missing out your contact. my email is jesguerra_99@yahoo.com.
Wishing the best to everyone who are currently in the immigration process.
Cheers,
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manilaman
Joined: 09 Oct 2005
Posts: 7
Location: Manila, Philippines
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: Thanks # 1 |
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Jpe,
01. If you could give me your email address, I could probably email you my RESUME - perchance that you might come across an opportunity which you might consider "right" for me. In any case, I would not want you to go out of your way.
02. I don't have NZ$ 1,000,000.00. I will just have to pray for Divine Intervention to make my relocation to NZ possible. god bless you - and your Parents.
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jpe
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 26
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject: IT job hunt |
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Hi everyone,
Sorry, didn't have time to post messages this week. God works in mysterious ways - I thought I'd be a bum, instead, lots of opportunities came this week (patong-patong!) so I was booked. Best of all, met new friends - Corah (corex) and Marichu. Along with Corah's hosts. We're having bbq this Saturday!!!
Thanks to those who posted their feedback on my first post - glad it helped even just a little bit. That's my intention - that you'd not commit the same mistakes as I did and learn some stuff from my experience just like Corex and Marichu:-)
Manilaman - i sent you a PM.
Okay, about the subject which might be of interest to the IT folks. I went to 3 interviews this week with the clients of my agents. Suffered terrible colds but breezed through the sessions.
The first interview was last Wed - contractual 6 weeks with potential opportunities after then, down at Hamilton. They were very keen on getting me such that the decision was left to me before they pursued another candidate. During the interview, I couldn't help but mention that I had been looking for sheep since I arrived and they enticed me saying that there are lots of sheep down in Hamilton i.e. farmlands . Left the interview expressing hesitation because I was asked to seek temporary accommodation down there on my own, meaning I"ll shoulder it, or drive down there every day. IT's a 2 hr drive from here. I can't live through driving again- that kind of life back in Manila again, I thought to myself. So anyway, as I was walking down Queen Street to meet up with Corex and Marichu, my agent rang to tell me that the client was so impressed at the interview that they decided to shoulder my accommodation!! I was so pleased but I still had second thoughts because of the contractual nature of the job. I was eyeing the next two interviews on Friday as they were project manager roles. The Hamilton job is SAP business analyst.
Tough decision, isn't it? I was torn because they gave me only until Thursday to decide. But beggars can't be too choosy at this time of the year - and I would turn into a beggar soon if I don't grab the first opportunity that comes my way. And that's what I did. It's good to have Arnie (Corex's frient/host) and his friend (who's also in SAP) to advise me - just get your foot through the door and before you know it, you'd be choosing from opportunities that will come pouring in. They said that here in NZ, it's quite common to jump from one job to another. It's the trend. I suppose if you leave with a good reputation (and make sure you do so they can serve as a reference), it's alright. Even my Kiwi friend - the furniture owner, was so pleased and advised the same thing. This is a trial period, he says. There is no such thing as non-permanent / casual employee (as we have back in Manila - 6 months prior to permenancy). Instead, companies would hire you as a contractor and either extend or hire you permanently onwards.
What's funny too, is that I thought I'd advise my other two agents who arranged the Friday interviews. They were very supportive of my decision and told me to continue to pursue the other two, which I did. So sniffling and teary-eyed, I went to my interviews today.
The first one was great. It seemed more of a chat than an interview because he was more keen to sell the idea of joining the company instead of scrutinizing my profile. And since he's been with the SAP consulting practice for years, we had a few good laughs about our work experiences. Oh we had a great time, exceeding the allotted 1 hour. When he told me it was an ASAP role, in a split second, I imagined strangling him (like Ally McBeal) saying, 'why didn't you tell me this right after my first interview with you 2 weeks ago?!!!' So there it goes. Anyway, they're still keen on getting me so I told him my availability is mid-January, which is great. So something to think about, after the Hamilton stint. It's a small company which offers consulting (=exciting!!) and flexible workhours. It surely appeals to me and I expressed my deep interest. So I left the room feeling quite happy. Deliberately not shook his hands because I didn't want him to catch my virus.
After that, I chatted with my agent. I told him that there will be an influx of Filipinos in the next few months with IT skills (hopefully). So he gave me more cards and advised me to tell you IT guys (if interested) to send him your CV before you arrive (with your firm arrival dates), so he can arrange interviews with his clients. Right now, he has demand for Oracle applications i.e. Financials, CRM and I think some Java / VB programming,too. His email is andy@mtr.co.nz. He's such a nice person who'd give you a personalized treatment. His close friend, a Kiwi, married a Cebuana and lived in Cebu for a few years, and has nothing but good words to say about Filipinos and the Philippines. So there is a sense of kinship.
So after that, I had to catch the bus down to another company, 45 minutes away. Groggy, headache and runny nose, I was tempted to call off the interview. But I forced myself not to. Arrived 1 hour early. Of course, the manager can't have me wait so we did talk immediately. It was quick. Like the previous one, he didn't ask me much about my background or experience (he had a copy of my CV on the table though). Instead, he explained what the role entails, the company background and what their needs are. It was a pleasant discussion, an ideal role that I would definitely pursue. There is no certainty though as the firm resourcing is not yet in place. Told him of my availability and expressed my keen interest on the job. Location wasn't an issue as I'd live where my permanent job would take me. HE's such a pleasant guy. Even offered me his box of tissues when I was in tears and sniffling, struggling to pay attention to what he was saying. I was in a bad shape. I hope it didn't turn him off. He finished though saying that if the project pushes through, the job will be there should I still be interested next year. Such words are comforting.
From that experience, I realized the following :
1) for IT at least, it's best to contact the agents as they know who are in dire need of IT skills;
2) you don't pay agents because they're hired to hunt down and screen potential candidates;
3) while agents screen you, the next interview (which is likely to be their client) is focused on the company selling themselves to you not the other way around; that's because agents are expected to have done the job of evaluating your strengths anyway;
4) agents can negotiate good rates for you (especially if you're just starting out in NZ); and
5) interviews are quite casual - even in the corporate. People are really pleasant. Be ready to talk casually - about your first few weeks in NZ, about why you came here, about your plans in the future.
So that's my piece of thought for the day. Staying awake, feeling a bit better now. I learned something today - echinacea is a good treatment for colds. Expensive though - I bought 1 bottle of tablets for $22... <sigh> certainly can't afford to get ill at this time.
Wishing everyone the best, especially to those who are packing their bags now for NZ. As I will be down in hamilton starting Monday, I don't think you'll read a post from me in the following week. Marichu and Corex will do that
Cheers,
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