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jazzyjayt
Joined: 18 Apr 2005
Posts: 32
Location: manila, philippines
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 Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:51 am Post subject: The migrant experience: Jobs that shut out migrants |
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Any comments on this Herald article on racism among NZ employers? I hope this is not as prevalent as reported in this article. Nakaka discourage kasing maghanap ng trabaho kung sa umpisa pa lang, dehadong dehado na tayo. 
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=11&ObjectID=10125827 |
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AngelMan
Joined: 10 May 2005
Posts: 38
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hi jazzjayt,
I'm new here, but have been reading the posts. I'm also an aspiring immigrant, and waiting (and praying) for my ITA at this point.
Yes, I saw this news, as early as yesterday.
Allow me to share my personal comments: wherever we go, there will always be problems and/or hardships, they come in different forms, shapes and sizes..
But the thing is, I personally believe that everything depends on our ATTITUDE. It depends on how we see a glass of water; is it half-empty or is it half-full? I agree with Ka_Uro that we should somehow lower our standards. "Kelangang lunukin ang pride at magtiyaga." Let's also take the example of Jap, who himself is an architect, wasn’t able to find a job at once, and worked with McDo even cleaning the toilet. What I'm saying is, if you (or me) is prepare to do this, then I'm congratulating you already, because "kakayanin mo lahat ng pagsubok at magiging matagumpay ka kagaya nina Ka_Uro at Jap, at ng iba pa." This is already a proven formula my friend, please don't get discourage about what you read.
The saying is, "HOPE FOR THE BEST, BUT PREPARE FOR THE WORSE."
Allow me to modify this a bit, "HOPE AND PRAY FOR THE BEST, BUT PREPARE FOR THE WORSE."
Let's keep the Faith, and let's keep the Fight.
The above are just my personal comments.
Thanks and God Bless,
AngelMan…
(I'm saying regular prayers for everyone, and I'm encouraging everybody to do the same).
Risk
To laugh is to risk appearing a fool,
To weep is to risk appearing sentimental.
To reach out to another is to risk involvement,
To expose feelings is to risk exposing your true self.
To place your ideas and dreams before a crowd is to risk their loss.
To love is to risk not being loved in return,
To live is to risk dying,
To hope is to risk despair,
To try is to risk failure.
But risks must be taken because the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing.
The person who risks nothing, does nothing, has nothing, is nothing.
He may avoid suffering and sorrow,
But he cannot learn, feel, change, grow or live.
Chained by his servitude he is a slave who has forfeited all freedom.
Only a person who risks is free.
The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
And the realist adjusts the sails.
- William Arthur Ward |
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Da_duck
Joined: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 29
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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hi, jazzy
i watched a documentary years ago abt the plight of the migrants in NZ. Most are professionals (lawyers, doctors,scientists, etc) in their respective countries but couldnt find jobs in NZ that is suitable to their qualifications. Those things happens, i agree. But, as what AngelMan said we should hope for the best but prepare for the worst. We should really lower our standards and lunukin ang pride. I admit that my NZ experience was a humbling experience for me. Maiiba ang attitude mo when you go a different country. Di ka na pwedeng magsiga-sigaan (whether you admit it or not, second-class citizen ka na). Just accept the realities of life (na iba na ang sitwasyon) and just do your best and keep hoping for the best. And lastly, sabi nga ng friend ko, buo na dapat ang loob mo at wala nang lingon-lingon  |
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MissMe
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Posts: 52
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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What you all are saying is TRUE.
In New Zealand or any place in the world, pag bago kang salta, you have to adjust. Everything is new --- the environment, pati pagkain, and since ang pinag-uusapan work...iba rin siyempre. It is different but basically, methodologies are the same. Iba rin ang linggo o slang. Ibang work ethics and practices.
As it is true na ibaba mo ang standards mo, it doesnt mean naman na you wont expect not to be in your field. Dapat prepared ka lang. As it sa mind set you, kung itong field na ito (say Advertising o Medicine) ang gusto mo, dapat u are prepared to still fulfil your dream. Never give up. As I see with what happened to us, as a family, and to some of our friends. It is an option to be where you are at your job.
Im talking of my experience, and basing it on other people i know. Halimbawa, ang mommy teacher, she started being a reliever-teacher, then part-time, then eventually as head. On the other hand, I met a woman sa isang Grocery shop na ngayon instead of doing the profession (she said she is a teacher in Philippines) opted to work in an industrial firm. Ang rason niya is she doesnt want to take the accreditation for teachers, kaya kahit gusto niya she did not pursue her teaching career, dahil may ibang considerations na. Yung iba kase siyempre, dala ng pamilya. Titiisin mo bang magutom ang pamilya kung kikita ka naman muna as sales clerk? Siyempre, sa case na yun, yun ang priority.
What am saying here, kung doctor ka, at ayaw mo munang magsimula sa pinakamababa, dahil sa tingin mo dapat they (nz) will recognise what you have done in the past, it is your decision. Ngayon, kung architect ka, at determinado kang maging architecto pa rin, lahat gagawin mo para ma-achieve ito kahit anung mangyari.
Be prepared.
It is a tough situation,
the employers wouldnt know how good we were in the past jobs,
how we spent the time and the effort in studying sa Pinas...
they DO NOT CARE...ngayon ang task is to SHOW THEM WHAT YOU CAN.
Migrants are finding it hard to take up a post. Why? Employers are reluctant to hire someone who cant respond to the clients, to the staff-members, so sa interview stage pa lang, show them, sa CV pa lang, dont try to impress so much, be vibrant, learn to adjust. Ang hirap, I tell you, lalu na kung at face value they see na you are shaky and tense. But once you get over it, naku, tapos na ang hirap you, magiging kiwing-kiwi ka na sa paningin nila.
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MissMe
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Posts: 52
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Oh, by the way, I sent a letter to Julie Middleton, who is the writer of that article. Hopefully, my views will be heard as well.
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jazzyjayt
Joined: 18 Apr 2005
Posts: 32
Location: manila, philippines
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Angel Man
Your poem about risk is very meaningful and appropriate for this forum. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Da Duck and MissMe
Youre right, most immigrants must be prepared to be "downgraded" a little in terms of employability. E.g., an architect in Pinas might have to swallow his pride and accept a draftsman position in NZ. However, in a situation of extreme racism, such an architect wouldnt be able to land even a draftsman's job.
I just hope the example in the article (Indian IT expert) was the exception rather than the rule.
Let's all think positive na lang and keep our eyes, este fingers, crossed.  |
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AngelMan
Joined: 10 May 2005
Posts: 38
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To Da_duck and MissMe: Thanks for the info.
To Jazzjayt: You're welcome. Yes, the RISK poem of Sir William Arthur Ward is very meaningful. Life is full of risks, life itself is a risk. But we have to take it.
On the other hand, should you (and I) fail, it's not the end of the world. We must try again, and again, and again until maka-tsamba na tayo, diba?
Failure is a part of success. A real-life example that failure is part of success is the story of Paul Ehrlich, a chemist who discovered a drug to treat those afflicted with syphilis. The drug was named “Formula 606” – because the first 605 tests were all failures.
Of course, we are not scientists, nonetheless it is still applicable to our daily struggles. Sorry for being Philosophical Let's keep the Faith, and let's keep the Fight.
Thanks and God Bless,
AngelMan.
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you did not do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain
Those who hope in the LORD will NOT be disappointed. -Isaiah 49:23b |
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