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dingo



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:34 am    Post subject: Don't be fool by Work to Residence visas empty promise Reply with quote

Hope this is alarming for anyone else who is currently going through the NZ PR process or even just thinking about applying.

Under NZ immigration website for those hopeful applicants without a job offer and think they may be granted a Work to Residence visas, think again.
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/work/skilledmigrant/overview/default.htm
"6. Residence and Work to Residence visas and permits
If you meet our criteria, and we believe you will settle successfully and contribute to New Zealand, we will offer you a residence visa or permit."

Don't be fool/misguided by NZ immigration's Work to Residence visas carrot and empty promise, they will reject your application totally after you have paid up all the hard earn fees to them if you don't have a job offer. I am the recent victim whom selected from the EOI pool but no job offer.I have meet all their Health, Character and English language ability requirements, received a rejection letter from NZ immigration recently due to no job offer from NZ employer.

NZ immigration shouldn't invite applicants who don't have a job offer to waste their precious time and money.
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wellingtonianbuddy



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point, there.
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greggallagher



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi dingo, when did you apply? yun ba yung exact reason sa letter or there might be something else? i think you can still appeal kung ganun lang reason per policy stipulated below...

If we think you have potential, but want to see how you settle, we will give you a work to residence visa or permit, which you can use to help obtain an offer of skilled employment in New Zealand for up to nine months.

medyo skeptical ako..kasi i just arrived NZ, approved with WTR but no job offer..ganun din yung mga kasabay ko na kadarating lang...
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engr2008



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the TS might not be giving enough information. there must be something wrong with his ITA application.

a WTR is given when you don't have a job offer if applying for residency under SMC category.
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dingo



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi engr2008,

There is nothing wrong with my application except no job offer. I have meet all their requirement, everything in qualification, work experience, health and police clearance except no job offer. May be there is a change in NZ immigration policy now due to poor job market in NZ which they admit and reply "global recession has a negative impact on the various industries/areas in NZ." There are simply too many grey area. This is having a very negative effect on NZ PR applications.

They have selected me from the EOI pool without job offer. Knowing that they still invite me to apply for ITA which cost me another NZ$1800 plus other fees, and reject my application on the "reason" as No job offer. No job offer = No potential = No Visa, simple as that. I suggest it will be better to find a job first before you apply for NZ PR, or else all the time (2 years) and money (NZ$2800++) will be wasted.

NZ immigration only use " If we think you have potential, but want to see how you settle, we will give you a work to residence visa or permit, which you can use to help obtain an offer of skilled employment in New Zealand for up to nine months." BUT please read further as they also have this line
"(3)Decline:
If the NZIS determines, as a result of the further assessment, that you have not demonstrated you can realise your potential to settle in and contribute to New Zealand, your application for residence in New Zealand under Skilled Migrant Category will be declined."
The reason for my decline is no job offer and therefore I "have not demonstrated you can realise your potential to settle in and contribute to New Zealand" NZ immigration told me that there are many applicant who can find a job offer without a visa. The NZ job market must be "Good" and many jobs are available that NZ people cannot fill the position???


"a WTR is given when you don't have a job offer if applying for residency under SMC category." is misleading and to me is a carrot that leads to no end.

I will not waste my time here if there is some other reasons other than no job offer. I am disgusted by this false hope of "a WTR is given when you don't have a job offer if applying for residency under SMC category." Is your money they are more interested. Every month there are around 800 "successful" applicants selected from the EOI pool, you need to paid the NZ$2200+- (EOI & ITA) to NZ immigration exclude those fees to certify all the documents and certificates. That is NZ$2200 x 800 = NZ$1760000 every month!!!

Good money indeed.
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engr2008



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you give us the date when:

your EOI got selected?
your ITA application was submitted?
you were Interviewed?

and most importantly what's your profession or skill?
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quicksilver



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow dingo ang labo talaga immigration dito sa nz. pero totoo hirap hanap work. ako 3months lang redundant
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gadez



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i quite agree with engr2008. WTR is given for those without a job offer provided you meet their requirements and prove your qualifications. i say this coz i recently came here at NZ without a job offer under smc.
for smc, one may have passed the EOI stage but they still have to submit detailed and complete documentation in the ITA and interview stage. also, it's not enough that you submit your documents, you have to prove to them your potential and show that you did your "homework" before going to nz. basically, the fee is for processing your application - not approving them.
i had to pass 65+ pages to Frances Wu in answer to her emailed interview questionnaire. this had statistics, quotes, graphs and other data from nz government websites about my line of work and industry, data about all the nz professional and social clubs and organisations that i joined and was planning to join, details about the area i'm planning to settle,list of professional nz people in my line of work that i have contacted and their views on my "employability",details on how i'm going to go about my job hunting in nz, etc etc..
it was tough work but the phone interview itself only lasted about 7minutes and then i got my wtr after 2 weeks; after submitting my passport i got it back with the wtr visa after 5 days...
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paras



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel that the WTR policy is a win-win game for both the INZ and NZQA as the Asians applicants are, in fact, greasing the wheels of their machinery. I also feel that the INZ is running a covert policy of granting WTR to most South Asian origin applicants (without job offer), the Pilipino, Malaysians, Chinese, etc., notwithstanding of their IELTS score, qualification, experience, age and EOI point score thus putting their career at risk. Average waiting time for Asian applicants is turning out to be 1.5-2.0 years and they would spend almost the same amount of money that an American or British applicant would be asked to pay but the decision for most Asian applicants ( w/o job offer ) is likely to be different than the latter case.
May I suggest here that if the above nationals are assumed to be miss-fit or struggling-community in NZ culture then immigration policy should explicitly state, from the outset, that all successful applicants belonging to X-Z country having no job offer will be offered 9-months WTR visa instead of PR right away, to secure a skilled employment in NZ which would help earn them PR. This will be a fair deal indeed but perhaps at the expense of revenues that INZ and NZQA are earning now. One will see a sudden drop in the number of Asian applicants as soon as the overt policy of WTR is announced by the INZ.

Anyway, I have already turned down the WTR invitiation as it seems that it is going to be a suicidal mission, with WTR visa, for me and my family losing everything in the end. God I have saved the amount of money that could have gone wasted in NZ.
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dingo



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not that desperate to put up 65 pages to VO.

If you are that helpful you can share your "successful" formula in detail to the community here and no point bragging about your "WTR". I think you should be given a "PR" and not "WTR" for the 65 pages effort. Laughing

paras is correct:
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"Anyway, I have already turned down the WTR invitation as it seems that it is going to be a suicidal mission, with WTR visa, for me and my family losing everything in the end. God I have saved the amount of money that could have gone wasted in NZ."
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rdj95



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: The scam that is WTR Reply with quote

The truth of the matter is that going to New Zealand on a WTR to get PR is mission impossible. Frankly, it's better to bet your money on a casino than take your chances in job hunting with the current economic situation.

If you are already in the post ITA stage with no job offer, I say cut your losses and begin looking to Canada, Australia or elsewhere. At least dun, walang "half baked" PR.

As I quote one Kiwi immigration lawyer "WTR is the biggest scam the (NZ) government has ever thought of"
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gadez



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I am not that desperate to put up 65 pages to VO"

dingo, it's not about being desperate. it's about being thorough. and i was not bragging about the wtr, i was merely sharing my experience. i'm not the only one here at nz who has submitted tons of proof to the VO before they could get the wtr. i have friends here who were initially denied after the interview, lodged an appeal and then resubmitted their paper and interview answers with more details and got approved.
moreover, im not saying that it is a requirement to pass 65 pages to your VO. rather, it is the validity of the evidence you submitted that matters. mine just happened to reach 65 pages when i documented them. a bit of an overkill, i know, but it left no room for my VO to doubt my "eligibility to find employment in nz". and then the rest of the process went smoothly.
unfortunately, nz immig does not give out PR status based on effort. and since i did not have a job offer when i applied i only got a 9month wtr.
lastly, perhaps it should be you who should provide more details on how you went about submitting your application. especially as you're the one who started this thread. as one reader puts it about your post in another forum "It's something to take note of but the post lacks information about the whole application itself. It also failed to mention about the interview and answers put in there."
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levi



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Dingo

You can fight for it or let the application slide. All in all, it's your own choice to make.

If you decide to appeal your application and be successful this does not mean you get PR at the end of the day. You will still need to look for skilled job like everyone else, and that in itself is a risk that needs physical, psychological and financial effort on your part. Getting a skilled job nowadays is hard, even for residents and citizens, but residents and citizens can avail of government benefits to tide them over like unemployment benefits or student loans/allowances to upskill. 9 month WTR migrants do not have this luxury, so it is understandable if people decide not to continue with their visa application, given the current economic situation.

But, as they always say, who dares wins, and the greater the risk, the greater the reward.

If you let the application slide, then officially, you have been denied entry/visa by a country, i.e. NZ. I am unsure about this, but visa application in different countries (like Australia) ask if you have been ever denied a visa and explain the circumstances of such denial. If you need to apply for a visa then you will have to disclose that NZ Immigration denied your visa application and explain why you were denied.

Will this fact that you were denied a NZ visa affect your future visa applications from other countries? No one knows but you would have to admit it is irritating to disclose a failure, even if you consider such failure as middling or the fault of someone elses'. If this inconvenience will not bother you at all, then there's no one stopping you from letting your NZ misadventure slide into oblivion.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

engr2008 wrote:
Can you give us the date when:

your EOI got selected?
your ITA application was submitted?
you were Interviewed?

and most importantly what's your profession or skill?


No answers?
Your answers might help enlighten us a bit about what really happened.
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dingo



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi levi,

Thanks for your concern. I don't think the denied by NZ will affect my future application for other country in future, however grass is no longer greener on the other side for my case and don't intend to migrate anymore. I am happy in my home country now Smile As rdj95 had quoted one Kiwi immigration lawyer "WTR is the biggest scam the (NZ) government has ever thought of". I donít see this as failure as WTR is no guarantee that you will be granted a PR, even citizenship is useless without a good job and reasonable income to support a family.

NZ is a great and beautiful country, I like NZís beautiful natures and hospitality of its people and that is all. I live comfortably in my present country where job is easy to find, convenient and safe to raise a family, the denied to NZ can be a blessing for me.

I sincerely wish everyone in this great forum has a good job, income, health and time to care and love for their family.Laughing
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