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sybill

Joined: 10 Nov 2009
Posts: 12

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: Employability

Good day to everyone! My husband is applying for a student visa which is going to be good for one year. He's been a chief cook for almost 15 years now but never finished his college (HRM) which cannot qualify him to apply for SMC. But his intention, really, is to get that certificate that he can be proud of to show to any future employer. He is in the catering industry onboard marine vessels and therefore, he rarely serve a la carte. Which is why he decided to take that culinary course to update himself of the latest ideas and trends. And of course, to get that "certificate". I won't deny that we also plan to apply for PR afterwards. But that's after he finishes his studies, and of course, after he get's an offer of employment. I understand that I will be given a work permit and I can work full time on any job. My visa is dependent on his student visa. We can also bring our kids if we wish to. But since we are still uncertain about the situation there,and for financial restrictions, we might just bring my youngest who's 8 years old. My question goes to anyone who's already there in New Zealand regardless of their status. 1. How soon does anyone think I can get a job that would pay me at least NZ$ 12-15/hour after I arrive? Is it possible to get any job within one month after I get there? I am currently working in a call center as technical support representative for US Internet service provider. Although I can take the same job, any job will do for me. I come from a poor family and I don't mind getting my hands dirty. What's important is for me to get a job as soon as I get there since we cannot afford to have no income for more than 2 mos. Since my husband is allowed to work for 20 hours/week only, which is just enough for his own expenses, I need to take that breadwinner role for a year. 2. Do we need to show a separate proof of funds for myself? How much? His student visa requires him to have at least NZ$ 10,000 to support him while he goes to school. I am going there with the obvious reason of working. Do I need to show the same amount as proof that I can support myself? 3. My kid's domestic student visa (?) is dependent on my permit. We understand that he can go to school for free while I am working there. Do we also need to show proof of funds for him? Could it be the same amount as my husband's? I hope someone can give us a picture of current employment situation there. I know that with the recession, it's not like 4 years ago when jobs are easy to find there. But recession is almost over in some of the first world countries, what about there? And if not asking too much, could you recommed any vocational or crash course I can take here before we leave? Just to improve my chances of getting any job? Thanks and may our dreams come true! Sybill

wellingtonianbuddy

Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 1025

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:41 pm Post subject:

kung di ka mapili sa work, im sure makakaita ka work as sales attendant, cashier sa supermarket, cleaner, etc....all decent jobs that can pay at least 12.60 an hour. As to how soon you can get one - depends on luck largely. show money - your husband needs to show that he has (on top of the required amount for him which you know already) at least 1000/month for every accompnying dependent. check the sponsorship form though as the amount may have changed. as to you husband re: 20 hours /week work - please check nzis if the course he will study on will give him the visa that will allow such benefit. as to recession - hmmm, i'll let others to comment on...

sybill

Joined: 10 Nov 2009
Posts: 12

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:00 pm Post subject:

Hey..thanks. Like I said, any job will do for me. I have always been on the support side of our relationship, never been focused on my career. He does, for the most part. Luck? Wow! That's a pretty risky thing for me. Will I get those kinds of jobs browsing thru online jobs? Or do I have to look for it "manually" (like walking around and looking for signs like "Help Wanted: Sales Lady")? Thanks for your attention Wellybuddy (I hope you don't mind. I've been reading about your posts and I'm pretty sure that you know life in NZ by heart, and when you post something, I know I should pay attention. I'll take your word for it. Do you think April is a good time looking for job?

wellingtonianbuddy

Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 1025

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject:

december is a good time to look for jobs say, supermarket jobs. jobs like these can be found posted within the premises of the supermarkets, local newspapers will do. cleaning jobs normally require good references (i.e. character reference) within new zealand. job market normally picks up 1st quarter of the year. i said "luck" as there have been an increase of applicants even for the most menial jobs.

sybill

Joined: 10 Nov 2009
Posts: 12

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:10 pm Post subject:

Well said. That helps a lot. With our limited finances, timing could well be the key to our survival. He will be in Aukland. We have already chosen his school and course, and as far as I know, he is qualified to work, but since you cautioned us about it..might as well double check. I will continue to read your posts and I hope I can also be of help to you on about anything that may matter to you. Thanks much.

maccie

Joined: 25 Feb 2009
Posts: 83

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:39 am Post subject:

hi sybill, you can work in supermarkets (i.e. new world), they can hire you right away, there are a number of new world supermarkets around new zealand.. only you should have valid work permit for 6 months.. good luck to your job hunt

philidor

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
Posts: 357

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject:

you will be bringing your kids with you? I dont think that would be a good idea. Ang alam ko eh hindi considered na domestic students ng kids nyo if student permit ang hawak nyo. I might be wrong though. and make sure meron nakalagay sa passport ng husband mo na pwede sya mag work ng 20hours/week. minsan hindi nilalagay yun sa student visa. goodluck!

sybill

Joined: 10 Nov 2009
Posts: 12

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:49 pm Post subject:

Thanks Maccie. It's good to hear that it isn't so bad. I was already thinking that employment situation there in NZ is worst than here in Manila. Or maybe it just depend on how you look at it. Perhaps, for kiwi's who's life has long been so convenient..looking for a job that requires more effort than before would make them think that jobs are still hard to find due to recession. I heard that they shift from one employer to another because there's just a lot of jobs available before. Unlike here in Manila, we are so used to waiting for 2-3 hours to be interviewed just because there are a hundred applicants for one single post. But we do survive. We do get jobs. Liit nga lang ng sweldo. Anyway, thanks maccie

sybill

Joined: 10 Nov 2009
Posts: 12

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject:

Hi philidor...thanks for your reply. My husband is on student visa..if he goes alone, he cannot bring his son unless he gets a student visa for him and will have to pay as international student for the kid. But since he has a partner (me) who will be granted a working permit, I can bring my kids. And as far as I know, my kids will be entitled for free education because taxes will be deducted from my salary as I work. We have 3 kids, but I will bring only my youngest since we are not so sure about the employment situation there. My husband can at least look after my son since he is only allowed to work 20 hours. So he has more free time, while I "plan" to work 25 hours a day if there will be jobs available. I have to bring my youngest. Nobody else can look after him. He is still too young and would still need parental guidance. My older kids can manage on their own now. They can live with their single Aunt who lives in our ancestral house. So we just have to pay for their food and tuition fee. I guess it's more pratical to bring my youngest here, since we don't have to pay for his tuition fee. But you can enlighten me on this...please. You know how it is there.

sybill

Joined: 10 Nov 2009
Posts: 12

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject:

..and philidor..thanks for the tip.

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and make sure meron nakalagay sa passport ng husband mo na pwede sya mag work ng 20hours/week. minsan hindi nilalagay yun sa student visa.

chicano

Joined: 01 Nov 2008
Posts: 73

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject:

you may want to double check if your child will be considered as a domestic student. Your child's status is dependent on the Primary applicants visa (which is your husband on a student visa) , and not on your open work visa (since you are a dependent on your husbands student visa too.) http://www.immigration.govt.nz/opsmanual/25493.htm plus there is a new requirement for dependent childrend of visitors visa or work visa holders From 30 November 2009, applications for a visitor or student visa/permit for dependent children of Essential Skills work visa/permit holders will need to include evidence that the parent meets a minimum income threshold of NZ$33,675 per annum gross in order to live with them in New Zealand, unless the parent held a work permit on and before 30 November 2009. hope that helps

philidor

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
Posts: 357

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:53 pm Post subject:

Hiya sybill, I suggest you ask nzis or your husband's school if considered na towards a qualification on the Long Term Skill Shortage List ang kukunin nya. batter safe than sorry. If yes ang sagot nila,you can apply for a work visa as dependent ng husband mo and anak nyo can apply for student visa as dependent mo since ikaw ang work visa holder, pagdating dito, considered na domestic student sya. both of btw, mind if ask how old anak nyo? I have a 16year old son and binayaran namin for the year including school donation, books, uniforms, etc is around nz$900. year12 sya. If daycare age ang anak nyo, mahal yan dito. unless sobrang mag jive ang schedules nyo ng husband mo na hindi maiiwan mag-isa ang anak nyo. If chef sya, madali yan makakakuha work dito sa nz! as always, personal opinion lang po. goodluck!

wellingtonianbuddy

Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 1025

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:30 am Post subject:

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If daycare age ang anak nyo, mahal yan dito. unless sobrang mag jive ang schedules nyo ng husband mo na hindi maiiwan mag-isa ang anak nyo

Indeed! And the Nats plan to revise/reduce/re-allocate the 20-hour/week free childcare as part of fiscal re-alignments.

sybill

Joined: 10 Nov 2009
Posts: 12

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:10 pm Post subject:

Hi chicano!

Thanks for the link. Anyway here's what I gathered that I think would support our claim that "maybe" my son could be considered as domestic student:

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The following people require a student permit or limited purpose permit in order to undertake study in New Zealand but are considered to be domestic students for the purposes of attending primary and secondary schools and are exempt from paying foreign course fees:

....Dependent children of any person who is the holder of a valid work permit other than those excluded under U8.20.

....U8.20 Partners and dependent children of holders of work permits

1. Partners and dependent children (see E4.1) of work permit holders who wish to study in New Zealand may be issued with student visas or granted student permits unless the work permit holder has been issued with a work visa or granted a work permit under any one of the following policies:

2. Dependent children of work permit holders are regarded as domestic students (see U3.35) for the purpose of all course fees at primary and secondary schools for the period of the parent's work permit.
3. Partners and dependent children (see E4.1) of work visa and/or permit holders may be issued with student visas or granted student permits without the need to produce evidence of enrolment.

I am not a lawyer..and I am really bad about technicalities..but maybe somebody out there can help.

So if there's anyone who can enlighten us on this, please do. We would appreciate it.

sybill

Joined: 10 Nov 2009
Posts: 12

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject:

chicano :

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From 30 November 2009, applications for a visitor or student visa/permit for dependent children of Essential Skills work visa/permit holders will need to include evidence that the parent meets a minimum income threshold of NZ$33,675 per annum gross in order to live with them in New Zealand, unless the parent held a work permit on and before 30 November 2009.

..well, that's one big consideration. I don't know how we can prove that until I get there and work. Hmmmm...thanks chicano. That's something to think about.

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