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acfrancia

Joined: 26 Feb 2009
Posts: 31

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject:

I have been checking this site once in a while for 6 months now and have concluded that it's either you find out if the person is: a. someone who wants to help and gives logical positive advice. b. someone who wants to help by giving warnings and feeding possible migrants of what bad things are happening about NZ and it's migrants, thereby cutting their hopes of landing a job when they get there and acting as doomsday prophets before this people can at least try to find their dreams in NZ. c. someone who is just here to spice up the postings and criticize those people in b. d. someone who just reads and inputs whatever he can to give others additional information about their migration applications. e. someone who does not care and just read and browse the forums without participating. who are you among these? Just my own opinion and I hope I dont offend anyone: I applied for migration because I want to make a difference in my life. I chose NZ. Unfortunately....it is not in good timing but I have already move forward to pursue that goal. Of course; I would not let anyone kick my butt and say: "You are stupid in choosing NZ because this country just cares about it's Citizens and PR's and you dont have a chance to even find work here"... I got it...life is hard there as some people say it is. But at least...give me a little chance to prove that maybe there is something out there for me. I am on my way to going to NZ but some people at this site has already given me a lot of things to worry about. For God's sake...let some people be happy and give them a little bit of space where they can see even little sunlight of hope. If at the end...there is nothing for me out there...it is a good thing as it is a learning experience still. Do not act like someone wants to steal the food on your own plate. Share your thoughts...give good suggestions...if it does not work out for me ....everything does not end there...there are still a lot of things to do after that. It is not the end of the world for me...

millet9197

Joined: 29 Jul 2009
Posts: 43

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:16 am Post subject:

sana po, wla nang palitan ng storya.,para wlang gulo.. i like this forum pa naman it helps me a lot. mag tulongan po tayo.. sana.. sana..

wellingtonianbuddy

Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 1025

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:17 am Post subject:

see, you have come back... what can I say - welcome back - uhm, no - I don't do hugs and kisses... Ok back to the discussion - who has been the casualty of war lately? Please share your stories...

levi

Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 1231
Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: Re: casualties of war

tawapinoy wrote:

Is the welly-xtan "Espadahan 2009" available on pay-per-view? The fight, not the porn. Smile

rdj95 wrote:

Marami sa mga kababayan natin ang nag lapse ang 6 o 9 months ng kanilang WTR at na decline ang PR pero wala na tayong naririnig sa kanila because most prefer to shut up. But it would be helpful to hear their stories
so as not to commit the same mistakes.

Since the internet can cloak identities, I hope this thread could be a venue to educate yung mga paparating pa on what course of action to take pag sasabak sa new zealand and alternative ways to gain residency (e.g. work, student permit). Any tips would very much be appreciated.

I hate to break it to you bro, but you can do everything right, not commit any mistakes, have an IQ of 300.......and still end up going home after 9 months! It's a crapshoot or a lottery more than a "pagalingan" contest. That's why I agree with levi that one needs an exit strategy. Don't count on your talent/skills/tiyaga/prayers to see you through. Everyone knows how to make a kiwi CV - you have to be incredibly dense not to catch on. Everyone is as sipag as anyone in terms of applying and pounding the pavement. Everyone is skilled. Everyone thinks that the good Lord will favor him/her with a job and let another family suffer instead. Swertihan na lang talaga. The only strategy to have is get lucky. Which isn't a very dependable strategy. Thus, the need for an exit/back-up plan.

I don't know what the odds are nowadays in converting a WTR into PR because there have been no scientific surveys done and I don't expect any in the near future. Everything is just anecdotes and urban legends and a friend of a friend of a friend type of stories. And mine is not so good. I know of only one family who obtained PR this year among our kababayans who came here on WTR. On the otherhand, I know of four families who had to eventually go back to Manila after not finding a job or having their PR application declined. I'm probably mixing with the wrong crowd or maybe I don't get out often enough. Or I was a black cat in a previous life.

Please take note that that's only based on people I've met and isn't a reliable basis to form any scientific conclusions. My sample size is ridiculously small. One shouldn't conclude that they have a 20% chance of making it. It maybe a lot lower or a lot higher than that.

I think, para maging makabuluhan siguro ang mga mungkahi, we should categorize the kind of people reading this forum:

1. those thinking of migrating;
2. those who were selected in the pool and waiting ITA and interview;
3. those waiting for results;
4. those who are currently on WTR.

I'll start of with #1. What are the best advice to give to a #1 migrant?

First off, research what New Zealand is all about. Lots of sites on the internet shows the political, economic and cultural side of this country. See if this is the right fit for you and your family.

Second, research if your skill is in demand. Cast your research net further than job sites, people have confirmed some jobs listed there are standard modus operandi by agencies to scout for potential clients. Try reading online newspapers, like the New Zealand Herald or Dominion Post and have an idea if your industry is still growing or stagnating.

Third is in relation to the second suggestion. Have a good hard look at your resume. If you don't have a resume, make one. Four pages long only. Don't list trivial information such as height, weight and body description (yep, hubby read someone who listed those). List work experience from most current work. Educational experience at secondary level only, they don't care if you went to Little Stars Preschool. List Masteral or further studies, if you only studied few subject make a note of that too. List training and seminars attended.

Now, how is it looking so far? Be honest with yourself - is it stellar, passable or ho-hum? Are your skills technical, scientific, managerial or merely average that lots of people have the same skills?

Points to look out for: have worked with a well known multinational company, preferably with an Australian or NZ branch, work experience shows that you are given managerial or supervisory powers, have previous experience working abroad (NOTE in certain cases work experience in the Middle East is NOT counted as work experience in terms of immigration).

Not too good points to look out for: working in same company for decades and still have the same job since day one, erratic job history in terms of frequency of job shifting and kind of job handled, no skill and technology necessary to perform current job.

If you realize that your current skills are not that special after all, stop thinking about migration in the meantime and make the effort to improve them by either going back to school, attend training or seminars, or ask your supervisor to give you more work to improve your skills.

Last off is money. Money, money, money, money. How much ammo does one need? I believe that in this economy the prospective migrant should save up not only for migration fees and expenses, but also the actual amount required by immigration for your 9 month WTR, and a little more extra.

Lots of migrants have arrived in NZ with little or no pocket money and were relying on securing odd jobs while applying for a skilled one. Problem is in this economy even the odd jobs dried up and many were forced to dip into their meager savings or rely on the kindness of friends in order to go through the day. Some of them don't even have enough money for the flight home when their WTR is up.

That kind of situation does not bode well for a migrant who needs to look for a skilled job without the stress of thinking where to get money for transportation or the next meal for the family. This lack of pocket money for day to day expenses makes the migrant lose focus and most importantly, loses self-confidence which will stand out like a sore thumb during interviews. Any other ideas?

chrisv

Joined: 17 Feb 2009
Posts: 322

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:37 pm Post subject:

levi wrote:

chrisv wrote:

xtan02 wrote:

wellingtonianbuddy wrote:

millet9197 wrote:

hello xtan02,
musta na application mo? may response naba c SG?

this remains unanswered....and no making up stories....

oh really? bkit ko sasagutin, wala kng kwentang tao, dont assume na lahat ng pupunta sa NZ katulad mong hampas lupa, subukan mo akong puntahan at malalaman mo sinasabi ko, bka lumuhod ka sa akin pag nakilala mo ako. Goodbye sa forum na ito.F U wellingtonian fucker!!!

typical pinoy trait (again): "subukan mo akong puntahan at malalaman mo sinasabi ko, bka lumuhod ka sa akin pag nakilala mo ako."

wag na wag mong isumbat kaninuman kung sino ka, bosing...you will be a nobody when you'll live and work abroad, im pretty sure you're aware of that...if you are insulted and being downplayed by any1, be dignified by replying in an educated manner. emen Twisted Evil

Ano kayang magandang movie title para dyan sa dalawa? Alam ko na!

Starring wellybuddy and xtan (syempre equal billing):

"Subukan mo ako, baka lumuhod ka sa akin."

Ay, parang porn movie!!!!! Laughing

Hahahahaha...good one levi![/b]

levi

Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 1231
Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject:

chrisv wrote:

levi wrote:

chrisv wrote:

xtan02 wrote:

wellingtonianbuddy wrote:

millet9197 wrote:

hello xtan02,
musta na application mo? may response naba c SG?

this remains unanswered....and no making up stories....

Hahahahaha...good one levi![/b]

Uy may bago ako:

"Hello, I'm back, ako na luluhod!"

levi

Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 1231
Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject:

For those who have received WTR: Some new members of the AklPinoys group have disclosed that they have either taken a 9 month leave of absence from their Philippine employer (unpaid of course), or have decided to leave spouse and children behind, as precaution from the tough economic times. These two could be a good back-up plan, although would it be possible for a filipino employer to agree to a 9 month leave of absence?

wellingtonianbuddy

Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 1025

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject:

yep. it's possible levi, although not necessarily with pay. my colleague back in the Phils took a two year LOA (partly paid, most part unpaid) whilst she went to San Frans (US). She liked it up there (found a job), went back to Phils for a "holiday" - filed for resignation and went back to US. Ours was government agency.

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