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RapRing
Joined: 24 Jun 2009
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Location: Philippines
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 Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject: Quality Engineering Background |
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Quality Engineering background ko and husband ko is maintenance engr dito sa Cebu. The business in Cebu is already picking up (although hinayhinay lang). With the way the people in the forum is talking, the recession is still going on in NZ. My question is: may chances pa ba yung aming skills dyan na makatrabaho?  We're sked to submit our WTR doc this July. Hoping to receive some inputs. |
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reosilver
Joined: 05 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| naa baya pero medyo challenging lang gyud diri |
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levi
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Quality Engineering Background |
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| RapRing wrote: | | Quality Engineering background ko and husband ko is maintenance engr dito sa Cebu. The business in Cebu is already picking up (although hinayhinay lang). With the way the people in the forum is talking, the recession is still going on in NZ. My question is: may chances pa ba yung aming skills dyan na makatrabaho? We're sked to submit our WTR doc this July. Hoping to receive some inputs. |
There are jobs, especially for the highly skilled ones, the problem is that employers are:
1. ignorant of the mechanics of the 9 month WTR visa, hence they think immigration only gave you a 9 month work visa and not much else;
2. if they know the mechanics of the WTR visa, which is slim, they still will be hesitant hiring you since they will deal with immigration, which is becoming more onerous and hard by the day; and
3. they have this misleading concept that if they should hire citizens and PRs first, even if not fit for the job, they are helping the struggling economy. True, to some extent, but this concept is doing more harm than good in the long run.
Also, it is now an employers market so one position could mean more applicants than they can count so you will have to compete for a position with citizens and PRs.
If you want to learn more, why don't you surf the following sites:
www.careers.govt.nz
www.seek.co.nz
www.trademe.co.nz - click on "Jobs"
Good luck. |
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engr2008
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Location: Auckland
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Quality Engineering Background |
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| levi wrote: |
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2. if they know the mechanics of the WTR visa, which is slim, they still will be hesitant hiring you since they will deal with immigration, which is becoming more onerous and hard by the day; and
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They will deal with immigration?... not really.
It's up to you to make sure you have a valid permit while you're in NZ. |
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levi
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Quality Engineering Background |
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| engr2008 wrote: | | levi wrote: |
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2. if they know the mechanics of the WTR visa, which is slim, they still will be hesitant hiring you since they will deal with immigration, which is becoming more onerous and hard by the day; and
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They will deal with immigration?... not really.
It's up to you to make sure you have a valid permit while you're in NZ. |
You have a point there, BUT, immigration does make phone/personal calls to the employers to check on information about the job, etc, on skilled migrant category visas - that's about the last step before you get your approval in principle.
Also, employers do deal with immigration especially when hiring an overseas employee. They even have to sign an Sponsorship Form for the employee's work visa application. Especially during these times, immigration will likely make sure that the standards set is fulfilled to the letter, especially the provision that no kiwi or PR is ready, willing and able to perform the task necessitating the hiring of an overseas worker. |
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engr2008
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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Location: Auckland
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Quality Engineering Background |
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| levi wrote: | | engr2008 wrote: | | levi wrote: |
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2. if they know the mechanics of the WTR visa, which is slim, they still will be hesitant hiring you since they will deal with immigration, which is becoming more onerous and hard by the day; and
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They will deal with immigration?... not really.
It's up to you to make sure you have a valid permit while you're in NZ. |
You have a point there, BUT, immigration does make phone/personal calls to the employers to check on information about the job, etc, on skilled migrant category visas - that's about the last step before you get your approval in principle.
Also, employers do deal with immigration especially when hiring an overseas employee. They even have to sign an Sponsorship Form for the employee's work visa application. Especially during these times, immigration will likely make sure that the standards set is fulfilled to the letter, especially the provision that no kiwi or PR is ready, willing and able to perform the task necessitating the hiring of an overseas worker. |
Companies only need to tell the truth if they get a phone call from the immigration. Not really a big deal. Usually the purpose of the call is to confirm the documents submitted by the applicant. (payslip, job position, contract, etc...)
Like I said, not really... co'z when you're on WTR, some employers would only ask if have a valid work permit. In my case, they're not too concern if I'll get a PR status or not. It's up to me to make sure I have a valid permit to stay in NZ.
Employers hiring overseas workers is a different from those with WTR. |
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levi
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Then I stand corrected. |
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jj
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Quality Engineering Background |
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[quote="levi"] | RapRing wrote: |
1. ignorant of the mechanics of the 9 month WTR visa, hence they think immigration only gave you a 9 month work visa and not much else;
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This is true in my case. There's no special indication in a WTR visa that separates us from those with just plain work visa so I had to explain to my prospective employer then about my PR approval being deferred and I had to show them the letter that says so. In the end, they placed a clause in my contract that they will employ me as long as I am valid to work in NZ  |
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maccie
Joined: 25 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: Re: Quality Engineering Background |
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[quote="jj"] | levi wrote: | | RapRing wrote: |
1. ignorant of the mechanics of the 9 month WTR visa, hence they think immigration only gave you a 9 month work visa and not much else;
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beware. based from experience in NZ. i was offered a job by a large government agency in wellington last dec 2008.. they already had the background checks completed.. but suddenly they took back the offer for a reason that they do not want to accept someone whose visa validity is less than a year... looking at the principle, this government agency by default cannot hire WTR holders.. tsk.. tsk.. this gov agency should have been aware of the WTR policy.. sayang edi sana PR na ako ngayon dyan.. |
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engr2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:01 am Post subject: |
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When you get your WTR visa, you'll also receive a LETTER TO POTENTIAL EMPLOYERS.
I'm sure the company can understand the letter. It explains the need for the applicant to provide evidence of skilled employment for 3 months before the immigration can continue with the applicant's Residence Application.
It's the reason why companies would include in the contract that they'll hire the applicant for as long as the applicant has a valid work permit in NZ. Just like jj's case and most people I know. |
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levi
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Quality Engineering Background |
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[quote="maccie"] | jj wrote: | | levi wrote: | | RapRing wrote: |
1. ignorant of the mechanics of the 9 month WTR visa, hence they think immigration only gave you a 9 month work visa and not much else;
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beware. based from experience in NZ. i was offered a job by a large government agency in wellington last dec 2008.. they already had the background checks completed.. but suddenly they took back the offer for a reason that they do not want to accept someone whose visa validity is less than a year... looking at the principle, this government agency by default cannot hire WTR holders.. tsk.. tsk.. this gov agency should have been aware of the WTR policy.. sayang edi sana PR na ako ngayon dyan.. |
from personal experience, government agencies only hire those with PR. other agencies even require citizenship as a requirement, i.e. department of internal affairs. |
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RapRing
Joined: 24 Jun 2009
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Location: Philippines
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: thanks |
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thanks sa mga inputs ninyo..  |
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