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megawatts

Joined: 20 Dec 2009
Posts: 14
Location: Qatar

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject:

Hi Levi, Thanks for answering my question po, I'll be turning 33y/o na this coming year, and it is really a tough decision, to choose between 2 good things.. my family started to love Qatar also.. but I am just thinking for the long run,, nobody knows kasi what will happen tomorrow, and as i've said dito very uncertain kasi ang sitwasyon,, kung sakaling i apply ko parin ang ITA namin, wala kayang magiging negative implication sa amin or sa akin being the principal applicant kung sakaling dalhin ko family ko sa NZ, then balik ako sa mid east, para atleast sana masuportahan ko financially sila, at para narin matest namin pare pareho kung what NZ has for us.. I know it will take a lot of sacrifices for us in doing that, but at the end naman future parin naman namin ang pinag uusapan.. do you think in doing that will justify the purpose? at kung sakaling ginawa ko move kong ganon makakabalik pakayo ako nang NZ?

wellingtonianbuddy

Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 926

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject:

just apply and see if NZ is best for you. you may want to check if you could get the kind of job similar or closely-related to the one you're doing in Qatar.

megawatts

Joined: 20 Dec 2009
Posts: 14
Location: Qatar

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:06 pm Post subject:

Hi.. Yup I will do that.. atleast if ever I would have the chance to choose,, tnx tnx..

levi

Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 1031
Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject:

megawatts wrote:

Hi Levi,

Thanks for answering my question po, I'll be turning 33y/o na this coming year, and it is really a tough decision, to choose between 2 good things.. my family started to love Qatar also.. but I am just thinking for the long run,, nobody knows kasi what will happen tomorrow, and as i've said dito very uncertain kasi ang sitwasyon,, kung sakaling i apply ko parin ang ITA namin, wala kayang magiging negative implication sa amin or sa akin being the principal applicant kung sakaling dalhin ko family ko sa NZ, then balik ako sa mid east, para atleast sana masuportahan ko financially sila, at para narin matest namin pare pareho kung what NZ has for us.. I know it will take a lot of sacrifices for us in doing that, but at the end naman future parin naman namin ang pinag uusapan.. do you think in doing that will justify the purpose? at kung sakaling ginawa ko move kong ganon makakabalik pakayo ako nang NZ? Question

No. New Zealand understandably wants people who have the commitment to work and stay and pay taxes in New Zealand for a certain period of time.

You will lose permanent residency if you do not work and live in new zealand for two years. That is a rule strictly imposed.

What you want is having your cake (new zealand permanent residency) and eating it too (having a high paying job in the middle east). You cannot do that at once unless you achieve an indefinite permanent residency status, which happens if you stay in new zealand as a resident for two years, with short trips abroad allowed during that time.

You have to decide what you want. you cannot have both unfortunately.

philidor

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
Posts: 278

Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:07 am Post subject:

levi wrote:

indefinite permanent residency status

levi,

do I actually apply for this after 2years and get a stamp on my passport? or given na lang na indefinite na sya after 2years?

if I have indefinite PR status, gano katagl ako pwede outside nz? work outside nz ok na?

levi

Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 1031
Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand

Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:57 am Post subject:

philidor wrote:

levi wrote:

indefinite permanent residency status

Yes, you apply for it. It does not happen automatically. Previously, you can just present all your passports (principal and secondary applicants) to your nearest immigration office, pay the fee and wait for about an hour to get your indefinite returning residents visa. Not sure how long or how complicated the process is right now.

If you have indefinite permanent residency status, you can stay as long away from new zealand as you like and you can come and go as you please, and still retain your permanent residency status.

The two year residency requirement is strictly applied so no shortcuts unfortunately. You got yours June 2009 so you can apply for indefinite returning residents visa on June 2011.

Work outside nz - you can work outside nz and still retain your pr if you have indefinite returning residents visa and permit. Of course, you still are a Philippine citizen so all the "difficulties" that arise from owning a Philippine passport will still apply to you when applying for visas from other countries.

megawatts

Joined: 20 Dec 2009
Posts: 14
Location: Qatar

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject:

Ganun pala yon.. tnx.. guys, I have learned a lot from you..sana di kayo magsawang sumagot sa mga concerns nung mga kababayan natin.. Merry Christmas.. and more power

megawatts

Joined: 20 Dec 2009
Posts: 14
Location: Qatar

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject:

hmmmnnn.. I've just remember a question again,, what if the principal applicant (me of course), decided to leave his family in NZ ( the secondary applicant and child), and went back to his work, is there any legal implication na hindi pwedeng magwork ang secondee or worst madeport ang kanyang family from NZ when the principal applicant will not be around? or would there be a so bad negative points sa akin na hindi na ako pwedeng mag reapply ulit for a visa,,,?? medyo magulo ang tanong ko sana po kayo na bahala umintindi... Maligayang pasko ulit..

wellingtonianbuddy

Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 926

Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:35 am Post subject:

the visa of your family will be anchored on your visa. if you're no longer entitled to get the indefinite returning residents visa, your family will not get it too. the process of getting the visa described by levi is right - if the two year rule has been satisfied -a quick visit to the nzis office, pay the fee and wait for the sticker on the passport/s. nzis tends to be too rigid with this - a few days short of the two year rule (no matter what the reason is e.g. going on holiday) prohibits getting the indefinite RR visa. anyway, it's still a long way as you are still at the EOI stage. you're not even sure if you will get the WTR at this stage (I'm not undermining your capabilities, though). I'm sure you are highly skilled. But you need more than that to make it. Read the previous posts in this forum and you know what I am talking about. if i were you, cross the bridge when you get there. chances are nzis will have some changes put into effect by the time you get your wtr or PR visa. you can worry about that later on. Restrospect: "If indeed I am doing well in Qatar and I am not sure that I can get the kind of job I normally do in NZ, I'd rather stay in Qatar. This is based on the assumption that I am getting a real expat deal in Qatar (i.e. getting the kind of compensation package based on the North "American/European/Western model"). NZ is a small country with very few opportunties relative to larger and more diverse countries. It is a tiny country that is proud on so many superficial things - only when things turn to their favour. When things go bad, the country starts to blame others/something to else "not of their kind".It is a country that has never come at peace with the fact that it is a POlynesian country with close geographic proximity to Asia than Europe. Hence, if I am doing well in Qatar - I'd stay and save so I can afford a comfortable retirement back in the Philippines. With the way things are going in NZ (e.g. the radical changes to the welfare system), I suspect that retirement and medical services in the future will become highly commercialised - therefore...(you do the math...) If I am highly skilled, yes, I may be able to get a job but the pay's terrible (the cost of living in this country has gone mad! - see the latest news on rising cost of milk! Milk has become so expensive in a country that is built on the dairy industry! Mad!). But then again, it's just me...

xtan02

Joined: 03 Sep 2008
Posts: 65

Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject:

"The holder may travel to NZ and on application may be granted a permit for/to 9 months. You must leave New Zealand before expiry of your permit or face removal. Funds waived. Outward passage waived. The holder may work as any occupation for any employer in New Zealand." - INZ MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!! Mga Ka-Forum Thanks sa lahat!!!

wellingtonianbuddy

Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 926

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:45 am Post subject:

xtan02 wrote:

"The holder may travel to NZ and on application may be granted a permit for/to 9 months. You must leave New Zealand before expiry of your permit or face removal. Funds waived. Outward passage waived. The holder may work as any occupation for any employer in New Zealand." - INZ

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!! Mga Ka-Forum Thanks sa lahat!!! Laughing

Well done! All the best with job-hunting.

Have a fantastic new year to all.

xtan02

Joined: 03 Sep 2008
Posts: 65

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject:

My Timeline: March 2007 - EOI Selected December 24, 2009 - WTR Approved February 2, 2010 - Arriving in Auckland, New Zealand. Visa Officer - Stephanie Gong Thanks sa mga forum members, very informative and helpful... God bless us all!!!

xtan02

Joined: 03 Sep 2008
Posts: 65

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject:

wellingtonianbuddy wrote:

xtan02 wrote:

Well done! All the best with job-hunting.

Have a fantastic new year to all.

Thank you wellingtonianbuddy! Very Happy

millet9197

Joined: 29 Jul 2009
Posts: 48

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject:

hello xtano2, CONGRATULATIONS!!!! sana kami din..huhuhu

virgoIT

Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Posts: 14

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:01 pm Post subject:

My timeline: EOI Submitted: 24.08.08 (125 points, no job offer) EOI Selected:27.08.08 ITA Received:10.09.08 ITA Submitted:10.10.08 Interview done 09-Sep-2009 Visa Officer : Stephine Gong WTR Invitation got: 28/12/2009

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