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rosesandlollipops

Joined: 24 Nov 2008
Posts: 1

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: Visitor Visa to Work Permit/visa (?)

Is there anyone who knows anybody who went to nz with a visitor's visa and was able to convert it legally to work permit/visa. There are consultancy agencies that claim they can do that as long as one is not choosy about the job. The agency said that they have a counterpart in nz to help you look for employment hence your visitor visa will be converted to work permit in a matter of weeks. I just want to know if this is possible as I desperately want to go for it. I will welcome any comments and insights regarding this matter. Thanks!

willie

Joined: 21 Aug 2008
Posts: 213

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:37 am Post subject:

I’m sure there were some people who converted their visitor’s visa to work permit—and as it may look legal, it’s not as the legal ways are passing through the SMC process and applying for a work visa. I think these legal ways are still the best. Why can’t you do it that way? It will save you money and you know you are doing the right thing. Not to mention, it will give a good impression to other nations that Filipinos follow rules. What do you think?

rdj95

Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Posts: 44
Location: New Zealand

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject:

consultancy agencies talk bullshit... all they know is to take your money the fastest way... my advice is go through the normal SMC process, it will save you a lot of money _________________ EOI Submitted: Jan 7, 2007 EOI Selected: May 9, 2007 ITA Received: October 30, 2007 ITA Submitted: February 1, 2008 Interview: November 25, 2008 WTR Invite: January 8, 2009 WTR Requirements Submitted: March 24, 2009 WTR Visa Issued: March 31, 2009

ronics

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 3

Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject:

I'm not encouraging Filipinos to come to NZ on a visitor's visa instead of going thru the EOI but its not illegal to go thru this process. Although I must admit that its expensive and there's no guarantee of success, but its the fastest ticket into settling in New Zealand. If you can secure a visitor's visa on your own and you have the qualifications and experience needed to get that elusive job offer, then you can come here.

highlander

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
Posts: 13
Location: NZ

Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject:

some lucky ones got their work permit. with the situation now, i dont think so. its recession...

willie

Joined: 21 Aug 2008
Posts: 213

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:57 am Post subject:

So ronics, are you saying that you can tell NZ embassy that you want to look for work in NZ and you can be given a vistor's visa? I'm not familiar with the requirements of a visitor's visa. It will be appreciated if you can enlighten the forum members so we would know what's legal and what's not.

aklamc

Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Posts: 15

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:16 am Post subject:

Hi Willie, You can convert visitor's permit to work permit yourself. You don't need a consultant to do this. By the way, sabi mo, There are consultancy agencies that claim they can do that as long as one is not choosy about the job. Anong job ang iniisip mo dito? Ingat ka sa mga sinasabi nila dahil hindi pwede na kahit anong job. It should be on NZ list of shortage. Kahit makakuha ka ng job offer, ide-decline pa rin ng NZ immigration ang application ng work permit mo kung merong available NZ worker. If your skills are highly on demand, mas madali ang visit tapos convert mo sa Work permit. Mahirap nga lang yata kumuha ng visit visa kung sasabihin mong maghahanap ka ng work. Ung kapatid ko, nag visit at nakakuha ng work, Structural engineer sya. Kung general skills, dumaan ka sa EOI.

willie

Joined: 21 Aug 2008
Posts: 213

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject:

Hi aklamc. It was rosesandlollipops who said that there are immigration consultants who claim that they can covert visitors to work permit. I said it might look legal but is actually illegal--correct me here. Is a visitors visa same as tourist visa? If it is, then it's illegal as your main purpose of visit is not to look for a job. According to ronics, it's not illegal. I was asking for clarification if it's indeed legal--can you can tell NZ immigration that you'll be looking for work in NZ when you apply for a visitor's visa? If this is possible, then it's legal and would be cheaper as you don't have to book tours etc to prove that you are a tourist visting NZ.

aklamc

Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Posts: 15

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:50 pm Post subject:

Hi Willie. Sorry, I got the wrong name. Naduling ako. Yes, visitor's and tourist's visas are the same. NZ's term is visit visa. It don't think NZ will give you a visit visa for the purpose of looking for work. They might give you a visit visa if you have an interview, and the employer wants a face to face interview. That's why, when applying for a visit visa, never offer the information that you intend to look for a job. Actually working while on a visit permit is definetely Illegal.

wellingtonianbuddy

Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 979

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject:

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That's why, when applying for a visit visa, never offer the information that you intend to look for a job.

And why would you 'offer nzis the information that you intend to look for a job" when you apply for a visitor's visa if your intention is simply to visit NZ? Du'h. If one's intention is holiday in NZ, get a visitor's visa. If one intends to work, go through the SMC route- just like the rest of us. Ang pinoy talaga - 'palusutan mentality' pa rin: always looking for the easy way. Du'h

willie

Joined: 21 Aug 2008
Posts: 213

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject:

So aklamc, it's illegal. That's my point. I asked rosesandlollipops why can't she do it the legal way then ronics said "I'm not encouraging Filipinos to come to NZ on a visitor's visa instead of going thru the EOI but its not illegal to go thru this process.". That answers it. I was just clarifying as I know I'm not an NZ immigration expert.

engr2008

Joined: 20 Apr 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Auckland

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject:

If you have the money and know someone here (usually a relative) who doesn't mind having you around, then you can come using visitor's visa and look for a job. And yes, you can convert your visitor's visa to work visa/permit if you can get a job offer. No Need for consultants. There's nothing wrong coming here using a visitor's visa with an intention of finding a job. In the first place, you will be visiting someone so there's nothing illegal about it. It all boils down to the NZ immigration's decision. Basically, it's all about money. I know someone here who's still on visitor's visa and still looking for a job. She was even able to renew her visitor's visa. If you want to take a risk.. make sure it's a calculated one. Cheers!

aklamc

Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Posts: 15

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject:

Hi wellingtonianbuddy. Why did you single out pinoys? Are you not aware of any other nationalities using this way? Even Japanese do this. If it's illegal, why does NZ immigration allow those with visitor's permit to apply for work permit? They should instead prosecute and deport those people. Don't tell me, na napulot lang nila ang job offer. Willie, i am not encouraging them to go here on visitors visa and apply for job. I said, it's easier for highly on demand skills to get a work permit even while on visit permit. And this is a FACT. Apologies for the misunderstanding. I did not mean to encourage people to look to job while on visitors permit.

engr2008

Joined: 20 Apr 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Auckland

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject:

Another thing. Some people came here using student's visa which were later converted to work visa/permit after they got a job offer. My chinese officemate told me it's one way for them to get to NZ. The other is thru Business and Investment category. Unfortunately, getting a student's visa is quite expensive and definitely not for everyone.. Just like SMC is not for those who aren't skilled enough. So whatever path you choose to get to NZ... Good Luck. Be realistic but don't lose hope. Remember to take one step at a time. Cheers!

wellingtonianbuddy

Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 979

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:17 am Post subject:

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Hi wellingtonianbuddy. Why did you single out pinoys? Are you not aware of any other nationalities using this way?

Ah, alright, a rejoinder: "Other nationalities din talaga - 'palusutan mentality' pa rin: always looking for the easy way. Du'h"

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