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willie
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Thanks for the clarification aklamc & engr2008. So the visitor’s visa converting it to work permit is almost the same as student visa converting it to work permit—that makes sense. It will be more expensive and risky but faster—If immigration can convert visitors (main purpose is to visit and not to work) and/or student (main purpose is to study and not to work) visas to work permits then that means it’s allowed in a way. Thanks for the clarification.
Different ways for different people—it’s good to be well informed. SMC process might not be for everybody so there are other ways like visitor’s visa, student visa and business/investment category (which I would think will be the most expensive one). Another fast and easy way is to marry somebody with PR visa already—hehehe.
Thanks again! |
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Bruce
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You may convert a visitors visa to a work visa if you are able to secure a job offer in NZ to match your skills and qualifications. However Immigration NZ will not issue visitors visas if they believe you are going to NZ to find a job offer. it is far better to obtain a job offer before you go, and go on a work visa. Then if you qualify, convert this to a residency visa while in NZ if you qualify.
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Shikamaru
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Hello,
Hope you can help me with this. I have a sister who wish to go in new zealand and my aunt is already financing for her trip. We plan to get her visitor visa first and convert to work visa after she landed in nz. We already collected information and data from the nz website.
Maybe you can share some advices in filling up the forms and other tips related to visitor visa.
Thank you so much in advance.
Godbless and more power |
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levi
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand
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| Shikamaru wrote: | Hello,
Hope you can help me with this. I have a sister who wish to go in new zealand and my aunt is already financing for her trip. We plan to get her visitor visa first and convert to work visa after she landed in nz. We already collected information and data from the nz website.
Maybe you can share some advices in filling up the forms and other tips related to visitor visa.
Thank you so much in advance.
Godbless and more power |
1. If the primary intention is to convert a visitor's visa with a work visa, do not make the mistake of declaring you intend to look for work in your visa application.
2. The purpose of the tourist visa (or visitor's visa) is to visit new zealand. so your sister needs to show that she has accommodation and/or travel itinerary ready in her application. She also needs to show that she has enough money in the bank to finance her stay here in new zealand.
3. If your sister is still single, there is a chance that she will be denied a visa since she she has a greater chance of being an "overstayer" so show that she "intends to return" at the end of her stay.
4. If her present skills and/or work experience are not in demand here in nz, chances are no one will hire her and/or sponsor her work permit. So if she has a highly technical, scientific, or managerial experience she MIGHT get someone to sponsor her work visa.
Good luck. |
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wellingtonianbuddy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| etong si shikamaru, paulit ulit na lang tanong nito... |
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Shikamaru
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Thank you levi. About the travel itinerary, it must be paid before presenting with other documents?
My aunt is already a new zealand citizen and she promise that if my sister come to nz, she will help her in finding the job.
Yes. my sister is still single and she work in government agency(CHR), maybe she can tell to embassy that she has a job here in philippines and must intend to return for her job?
To wellingtonianbuddy.
Syensya na, really need your help kabayan. |
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wellingtonianbuddy
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:33 am Post subject: |
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no, you don't pay for travel itinerary. it is a printed document issued by the travel agency about the proposed trip (flight detail). this document comes with ur visa application. u get/pay for the ticket only after u have the visa in your hands.
since your sister is single, you need a lot of convincing to do with VIA/NZIS that she is going back to the Philippines. but yes, you need to convince via/nzis that she is definitely going back to CHR: as to how - i don't have any idea. |
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levi
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Shikamaru wrote: | Thank you levi. About the travel itinerary, it must be paid before presenting with other documents?
My aunt is already a new zealand citizen and she promise that if my sister come to nz, she will help her in finding the job.
Yes. my sister is still single and she work in government agency(CHR), maybe she can tell to embassy that she has a job here in philippines and must intend to return for her job?
To wellingtonianbuddy.
Syensya na, really need your help kabayan. |
No, post-paid travel itineraries are not necessary, but your sister must research on where she intends to travel here in new zealand (museums, zoos, national parks, people to visit etc) and how will she pay for her way here.
If she gets a visa and arrive here in new Zealand, she will still be interviewed by the customs officer and if she has no reasonable answer to the officer's queries about her stay, she will be denied entry in New Zealand and will be sent back to the Philippines on the next available flight. And no, I do not exaggerate.
Yes, a certificate of employment by the CHR (Commission of Human Rights, I presume) can show that she is currently employed and intends to return after the end of her stay.
But you have to brace yourselves of the fact that the chances of her application being approved is slim and there is a good chance she will be denied a visitor's visa since she is single and aside from her work, has no compelling reason to return in the Philippines.
May I suggest your sister find other ways of entering New Zealand? Has she researched on student visas? If she or your aunt has cash to spare, a student visa will enable her to study and work (with restrictions) in New Zealand and her chances of finding work after the conclusion of her studies here will improve somewhat. |
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willie
Joined: 21 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Based on the posts of other forum members, it looks like the student visa way is the easiest way although it’s expensive. Unlike visitor’s, having a student visa will give you more time to look for a job and the qualifications (after finishing whatever course/degree) needed by NZ employers. If you think or are unsure if you can enter NZ through SMC, it might be good to explore the student visa route. It will be a plus if you have relatives in NZ too. If NZ immigration can convert visitor’s or student’s visa to work permit, then that would mean it’s allowed. |
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Shikamaru
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Thank you levi, wellingtonianbuddy and willie.
I see that visitor's visa have a less chances than student visa (but more expensive). More likely we have a choice to choose but I'm thinking that if is it better to choose the visitor visa first as we already preparing right now and if it fail, then go to plan B which is student visa.
Right now, were waiting for my aunt's sponsorship form and her declaration of their rent's house. Basically, these is the second time that my sister get a visitor visa, unfortunately the first time was a rush decision and not prepared. So this time I want to help her to make the right move and also I need your help too. |
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wellingtonianbuddy
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ur sister is very lucky to have you doing all these things. my concern however is that your sister must be closely involved with all of these things because this is her application. VIA/NZIS will interview her and she might be asked questions about the application (e.g. specific details on the application form, attached documents, etc.).
cheers! |
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Shikamaru
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:25 am Post subject: |
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one of the requirement is "Evidence of support while visiting New Zealand". My aunt is already preparing her sponsorship form and we are just waiting for that, on the other hand she also sent money to support my sister for her application includes airfare and for show money in bank(as proof she can support herself while in NZ).
My question is that, is it okay to declare this two evidence (1) sponsorship form and (2) evidence of funds. The guidelines indicate that you may choose either of the two.
Thanks ^_^ |
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levi
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand
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| Shikamaru wrote: | one of the requirement is "Evidence of support while visiting New Zealand". My aunt is already preparing her sponsorship form and we are just waiting for that, on the other hand she also sent money to support my sister for her application includes airfare and for show money in bank(as proof she can support herself while in NZ).
My question is that, is it okay to declare this two evidence (1) sponsorship form and (2) evidence of funds. The guidelines indicate that you may choose either of the two.
Thanks ^_^ |
Have both handy since your sister has been denied once already, you need both to convince the visa officer to give your sister a visitor's visa.
How long will your sister's stay be? 6 months? 9 months? If longer than 6 months, she needs some medicals done. |
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Shikamaru
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| i think 1 month. they say its better to have a few days stay to have a bigger chances of approval, im not sure about this. since my aunt and her family there are willing support to find her job as soon as she landed in NZ. |
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levi
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| Shikamaru wrote: | | i think 1 month. they say its better to have a few days stay to have a bigger chances of approval, im not sure about this. since my aunt and her family there are willing support to find her job as soon as she landed in NZ. |
I am sorry to burst your bubble but ... are you sure she will get a job in less than a month on a visitor's visa?
Not a lot of employers are willing to hire someone on a one-month visa. Even seasonal workers (those on a visitor's visa can work as temporary fruit pickers or other agricultural workers in some areas here in nz) should hold a visa valid for more than one month.
If she is lucky enough to secure an employer, it takes 40 to 60 days to apply for a work visa here in nz.
If she gets lucky to secure an employer, during the time she is awaiting the results of her application for work visa, she cannot work for such employer or at the very least, cannot be listed on the payroll and/or be paid for work rendered.
You should probably look into securing a 2 or 3 month visitor's visa. Safest is probably 6 to 9 months. |
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