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mutya



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: life in NZ Reply with quote

hello po!

nais ko pong humingi ng kahit konting pananaw kung ano po talaga ang buhay at mamuhay sa NZ?

nagpapasalamat ako't napadpad ako sa forum na ito na kung saan malaya akong makapagtanong ng mga bagaybagay tungkol sa NZ, ng sa gayon ako'y maliwanagan kung ano po ang dapat kong gagawin, sapagkat ako rin ay bumabalak na pumunta riyan at manirahan.

nais ko pong humingi ng "different insights" kung ano po ang masasabi ninyo tungkol sa sinabi rito sa site na ito:

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/84856/Hindi-paraiso-ang-buhay-sa-New-Zealand
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: life in NZ Reply with quote

mutya wrote:
hello po!

nais ko pong humingi ng kahit konting pananaw kung ano po talaga ang buhay at mamuhay sa NZ?

nagpapasalamat ako't napadpad ako sa forum na ito na kung saan malaya akong makapagtanong ng mga bagaybagay tungkol sa NZ, ng sa gayon ako'y maliwanagan kung ano po ang dapat kong gagawin, sapagkat ako rin ay bumabalak na pumunta riyan at manirahan.

nais ko pong humingi ng "different insights" kung ano po ang masasabi ninyo tungkol sa sinabi rito sa site na ito:

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/84856/Hindi-paraiso-ang-buhay-sa-New-Zealand
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Hindi paraiso ang buhay sa New Zealand
03/14/2008 | 08:23 PM

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Babala: Hindi paraiso ang New Zealand

Nais ko lang magbigay ng babala sa mga kababayan natin na nagtutungo sa New Zealand sa pag-aakala na dito nila matatagpuan ang glorya na hindi nila natikman sa Pilipinas.

Marami na tayong mga kababayan na nabiktima ng naglipanang recruitment/immigration agencies d'yan sa atin sa Pilipinas at nagdurusa ngayon dito sa New Zealand.

Marami sa kanila ang nadaan sa sweet-talk ng agencies na ito. Halimbawa, madali raw makakuha ng trabaho, mataas ang sahod at maganda ang takbo ng pamumuhay.

Sinisingil sila ng P500,000 kapalit ng tourist visa. Ang sabi sa kanila, wala nang problema pagdating sa NZ dahil maraming available na trabaho. Kapag nakakuha na sila ng job offer, madali nang mai-convert ang tourist visa nila into work permit.

Kadalasang tumatagal ng isang buwan ang tourist visa sa New Zealand na ibinibigay ng immigration.

Sobra raw kung i-build up ng agencies na ito ang New Zealand na tila paraiso kaya mahahalina ka talagang lumipad. Sinasabing napakadaling kumuha ng trabaho, mura ang bilihin, at maganda ang buhay.

Ang sales talk pa, ang P500,000 na ginastos nila na pambayad sa pagpunta sa NZ ay mababawi kaagad sa loob lang ng isang buwan na pagtatrabaho rito. Kaya naman hindi nakapagtataka na marami sa mga kababayan natin ang nabibiktima.

Pagdating nila rito, pahirapan sa pagkuha ng trabaho, at kung may makuhang trabaho, maliit naman sa sahod pero mahal ang gastos, lalo na sa upa sa bahay. Mabuti na lang may mga kababayan tayo rito na kumukupkop sa kanila.

Panahon na para magising ang ating mga kababayan sa katotohanan. Napakahirap ng buhay dito – mahirap kumuha ng trabaho, at hindi totoong maluwag ang pamumuhay.

Ang totoo - grabe ang discrimination dito pagdating sa trabaho. Ang mga “puti" ang priority ng employers na binibigyan ng trabaho. Ang mga may kulay tulad ng mga Pinoy, kahit qualified sa trabaho ay hindi kaagad tinatanggap dahil wala daw silang "NZ o local experience."

Ito ang dahilan kung bakit marami sa mga kababayan natin na doctor, lawyer, engineer at accountants ang kung anu-ano na lang trabaho ang pinapasok para lang kumita. Hindi nila magamit ang qualification nila dahil hindi nire-recognize ng employers.

Napakahirap ng buhay dahil maliit lang ang sweldo, pero sobrang laki ng tax at sobrang taas ng presyo ng mga bilihin. Mainit na usapin ngayon dito ang mababang pasweldo sa NZ kumpara sa Australia. Mahigit kalahati ang diperensya ng sahod ng magkalapit na bansa. Kung dito sa NZ ay $11 per hour ang minimum, sa Australia mahigit $20 ang minimum at mas malaki pa ang palit ng pera nila.

Dahil sa napakataas na tax sa sahod na umaabot sa 25 percent bawat linggo, at mahal na bilihin at upa sa bahay, talagang literal na dumadaan lang sa kamay ang sweldo rito.

At ang pinakamatindi sa lahat, sobrang higpit ng immigration dito. Dumadanas ng "torture" ang mga kababayan natin sa kamay ng mga visa officer, kung umasta akala mo sila ang Diyos.

Mahilig silang maghanap ng butas para pahirapan ang mga nag-aapply. At kami rin ay kasalukuyang dumadanas ng pangmaltrato ng immigration dito.

Ang negatibong impormasyon at tunay na sitwasyon tungkol sa pamumuhay sa NZ ay hindi nakakarating sa ating mga kababayan kaya marami pa rin ang lumilipad dito.

Mukhang may kasabwat din ang recruitment agencies d'yan sa atin at NZ immigration dahil isa sa malaking pinagkukunan ng pondo ng gobyerno rito ay mga ibinabayad na fees ng mga nag-aapply ng visa para makapunta rito. Kaya marahil ganun na lang kung i-build up nila ang NZ upang makaengganyo ng mga Filipino.

Sa totoo lang, HINDI PARAISO ang NZ. Kaya sana mabigyang babala ang mga kababayan natin na nagbabalak na dito manirahan o maghanap ng trabaho. Huwag silang maniwala sa mga nababalita tungkol sa mala-paraisong NZ.

Kung gusto nilang pumunta rito upang mamasyal walang problema, ngunit kung dito maninirahan at maghahanap ng trabaho, maipapayo natin na mag-isip silang mabuti, magtanong, dahil hindi biro ang sistema rito.

Maraming salamat. God bless.

J.C

*Si J.C. ay dating mamamahayag sa Pilipinas na nag-migrate sa NZ noong nakaraang taon kasama ang kanyang asawa at mga anak.


-- GMANews.TV
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mutya



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes po, that's the article i have read in the linked i attached. is this true? coz i think it is.. but of course i still would like to see the two sides of the coin. i still believe that living or starting living in NZ is not that bad at all. Are there anybody here in the forum can attest otherwise? like: telling their good experiences perhaps..etc..?

the reason why our kababayan leave our country is to look for greener pasture, seek for quality living especially for their love ones etc.. but if what Mr, J.C. had told us is 80-100% experienced by our kababayan in NZ, isn't this frustrating? might as well magpakahirap nalang tau d2 sa pinas kapiling ang mga mahal natin sa buhay at least meh katuwang tau emotionally. kesa maghirap tau sa ibang bansa na nagiisa , masyado namang torture yun. (just my 2cents worth)

your opinions are highly appreciated. I really need to make some evaluations because it's not easy to raise a big amount of money then when we get there or some place else , ganun-ganon nalng ang mangyayari.. Sad please po..

salamat na marami. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mutya wrote:
yes po, that's the article i have read in the linked i attached. is this true? coz i think it is.. but of course i still would like to see the two sides of the coin. i still believe that living or starting living in NZ is not that bad at all. Are there anybody here in the forum can attest otherwise? like: telling their good experiences perhaps..etc..?

the reason why our kababayan leave our country is to look for greener pasture, seek for quality living especially for their love ones etc.. but if what Mr, J.C. had told us is 80-100% experienced by our kababayan in NZ, isn't this frustrating? might as well magpakahirap nalang tau d2 sa pinas kapiling ang mga mahal natin sa buhay at least meh katuwang tau emotionally. kesa maghirap tau sa ibang bansa na nagiisa , masyado namang torture yun. (just my 2cents worth)

your opinions are highly appreciated. I really need to make some evaluations because it's not easy to raise a big amount of money then when we get there or some place else , ganun-ganon nalng ang mangyayari.. Sad please po..

salamat na marami. Very Happy


In my honest, personal opinion, tama ang sabi nya, di talagang paraiso ang NZ... wala namang paraiso dito sa mundo, diba?

Here, we still work to earn our keep, from 8 till 5 (sometimes even more). Hindi pinupulot ang pera dito, pinagtra-trabuhuan din tulad dyan sa pinas.

We also have to maintain the household all our own, no maids to clean and cook, no yayas to clean up your kid, walang labandera at plantsadora. Paraiso ba ang tawag nun?

Yes, taxes are high, since most of the public services here are funded by government, most importantly in education and health care. I was rushed to emergency one morning and though I was in pain, may relief din na treatments at hospital are free. Galeng, noh? But next to me was a man who was a known alcoholic in the area, obviously stinking drunk and had a hypoglycemic shock. Guess what, his treatments are also free since he is a nz citizen. Galeng noh? So I guess, paraiso ang nz sa kanya - pero may inis ka din ng konti kasi while you get the benefits of the system, people who are like the alcoholic also benefit from it.

in terms of discrimination, there is some truth to that. but from where i live and work, no one cares where you came from. siguro it depends on where you live or work.

but yeah, sometimes the term "new zealand work experience" is used to discriminate - but di lang mga pinoys ang nakaka-experience yan. even mga foreigner na puti may discrimination din ng konti ang mga nz dito. Check out this website www.expatexposed.com , and read the experiences of discrimination of white americans, south africans and the british.

some of us pinoys have more difficulty looking for work, while others get job offers right away. Looking at friends and friends of friends, those who get jobs right away have highly skilled and technical occupations: mostly engineers (or related occupations such as autocad technicians) and those who deal with agriculture get jobs easily since yun ang kailangan nila ngayon.

there are some occupations that need registration and/or additional courses in order to work. so, kung di ka registered, di ka pwede mag-work. occupations like doctors, dentists, lawyers, nurses, teachers or architects and the like, are examples.

those who have difficulty looking for work now are accountants, IT (kasi sobra dami na nila dito) and other non-technical and non-scientific occupations.

that's all i can think of as of now. if you have specific questions, just ask.
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mutya



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you for answering my queries, cge if i can think of other QTs, i won't hesitate to ask them.

salamat uli! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Mutya,

Tama si Levi, wala naman talagang bansa na masasabi nating paraiso. I bet sa Australia, Canada or US, meron din tayong mga kababayan na nakakaramdam ng frustration at pagsisisi - which I think is natural naman kapag nasa dayuhang bansa ka.

Eto lang ang opinion ko sa article na yan base sa mga napag-alaman ko at naging experience na rin. Medyo mahaba to pero sana pagtyagaan niyo na lang basahin:

GREEDY RECRUITERS - Totoo pong may mga recruiters na sumisingil ng mahal at doble sa mga kababayan natin. Marami sa mga kababayan natin (esp. nurses and telecom technicians/engineers) ang nabiktima na niyan. Ang usual na recruitment system po rito sa NZ eh yung employer ang nagbabayad sa mga head hunters. Yung mga applicants, usually eh walang binabayaran sa mga nagrecuit sa kanila (dahil nga bayad na). Siguro kung me babayaran man, baka airfare na lang or visa application fees. Sad to say, kapwa natin Pinoy pa ang mga nanloloko sa mga kababayan natin. Di kasalanan ng NZ yan, tayo mismo ang dumudungis sa maayos na recruitment system nila.

FINDING WORK - Mahirap kung sa mahirap. Pero saang bansa ba madali? Kung qualified ka naman sa position, bakit di ka tatanggapin? If there is discrimination, I bet very minimal lang. And yes, maybe depende sa job. Pero I know that there is a law here in NZ to protect migrants from discrimination - lalo na sa work.

"PROFESSIONALS DRIVING TAXI" - Kaya may skilled migrant category ang NZIS, para maiwasan ang mga migrant professionals na makakuha ng work na sobrang baba or layo sa skills nila. Im sure you would agree naman if you check on how they choose skilled migrants. Siguro it's up to us na lang if we want to settle for jobs na malayung malayo sa qualification natin. Marami akong kakilala na IT, engineers, solicitors, project managers, etc na Pinoy.

TAX - kahit ako eh naiiyak sa laki ng tax dito. But tell me, mababa ba ang tax sa Pinas? Ang tax na binabayad ko rito, napupunta sa health benefits, sa kapaligiran ko like roads, sa pag-aaral ng mga anak ko, etc. Sa Pinas, ang tax na binabayad ko eh napupunta sa bulsa ng mga pulitiko. Hehehe.

PRESYO NG BILIHIN - Merong ilang mahal, meron din namang mababa ang presyo. Kailangan mo lang matutunan kung paano mag-budget. Ang mahalaga dito, may value ang pera na sinusweldo mo. For example, kung magsweldo ako ng 3000 pesos a month sa Pinas, baka diaper at gatas pa lang ng anak ko, ubos na ang pera ko. Pano pa ang bayad sa renta? Kung magsweldo ako ng same amount in dollars dito, pasok na ang budget ko - food, diaper, milk, rent, etc.

RENT - Mahal nga.. lalo na pag nag-convert ka.

IMMIGRATION - I dont think mahigpit ang immigration dito (lalo na ang mga VO). I do believe na kung qualified ka, mabibigyan ka ng VO. Kung ideny ka at qualified ka naman, prove mo lang. Minsan nang ibinalik ang EOI ko dahil kulang daw sa points. Nagexplain ako(mahabang istorya. Hehehe), then it turned out na mas tumaas pa pala ang points ko. Nakailang balik na ako sa NZIS office dito sa Wellington pero so far, di pa naman ako natatarayan. Very accomodating naman silang lahat sa mga migrants - kahit na iba iba pa ang mga nationality nila.

Eto ang mga nalimutan niyang banggitin sa article nya:

PEACE and ORDER - Meron ding mga crimes every once in a while pero di naman kasing dami at kasing lala sa Pinas. Pag naglakad ako sa mga kalye sa Pinas, naka-kipkip sa harap ko ang bag ko - worried ako lagi sa mandurukot, holdaper, slasher or agaw cellphone. Pero dito, nakakarga ko ng maayos ang bag ko. Kung maiwan ko ang cellphone ko sa mall or taxi, may chance pa na maibalik sa akin. Smile

DISCIPLINE - Believe ako sa disiplina ng mga tao dito - puti or kahit anong nasyon (although di ko pa rin masasabing 100% na disiplinado lahat ha). Halimbawa na lang yung isang park na lagi naming kinakainan sa City, ang dami laging kumakain sa mga benches at sa damuhan ng park na yon..pero wala kang makikitang mga basura. Marunong silang mag-imis ng sarili nilang mga kalat...well, at least yan ang napansin ko.. Hehehe.

In conclusion, hindi nga paraiso ang NZ.. but Im pretty sure na di impyerno! Smile

'Just my two cents...(sa haba nito, baka 1 dollar na! Hehehe)
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Veron



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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe tama lahat nang sinabi nila. There are always two sides of anything - good and bad. Ang siste, maraming good sa NZ, konti ang bad. Kaya nga kina-career ko ding makapunta diyan. I am in the process also of lodging my EOI. It takes time and patience and who knows, it will all fall into place.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tama silang lahat, hindi madali ang buhay dito sa NZ. But in sum to make life work here ang dapat na meron ka ay talent/skills (in your line of work), good command of the English language, tiyaga at higit sa lahat pananalig sa Dios na anuman ang maging resulta ng buhay dito ay para sa ikabubuti mo.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys,

Thanks for the information and for your honest comments. Mabuti rin ung nakakabasa ka at nalalaman mo ang iba't ibang karanasan at opinyon ng mga kababayan natin na nasa NZ.

Tama si Sara.....hindi nga paraiso ang NZ pero hindi rin naman impierno kumpara mo naman sa Pinas...sa laki ng tax na binabayaran mo eh hindi mo man lang mapakinabangan...huhuhu

Wala pa ko sa NZ. Actually magsa-submit pa lang kami ng EOI ng asawa ko. Bigla tuloy akong napaisip...hehehe.

Good luck na lang sating lahat...God is good all the time.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mcqueen wrote:
Guys,

Thanks for the information and for your honest comments. Mabuti rin ung nakakabasa ka at nalalaman mo ang iba't ibang karanasan at opinyon ng mga kababayan natin na nasa NZ.

Tama si Sara.....hindi nga paraiso ang NZ pero hindi rin naman impierno kumpara mo naman sa Pinas...sa laki ng tax na binabayaran mo eh hindi mo man lang mapakinabangan...huhuhu

Wala pa ko sa NZ. Actually magsa-submit pa lang kami ng EOI ng asawa ko. Bigla tuloy akong napaisip...hehehe.

Good luck na lang sating lahat...God is good all the time.


It is good at napapaisip ka ngayon. At least, you are in a better frame of mind about your migration journey.

Minsan kasi tayo mga Pinoy sobra taas expectation natin about migrating na when we get into the process some people get discouraged when faced with the real picture about life abroad. Actually, kahit yung mga kababayan natin na nakapag-abroad na, lalo na from middle eastern countries, nabibigla pa rin kapag nag-migrate na sila dito sa "middle earth."

If you decide to push through going here with a more realistic frame of mind, I strongly believe that you will succeed where some have failed or are struggling.

Personally, the first thing you have to accept is both you and your spouse will start from square one, career-wise; both of you will have to prove to nz employers that your skills are valuable and you would make a significant contribution to the company. Secondly, both of you are on your own and you guys will have to work as a team and learn to give and to take when appropriate. Walang senyorito at senyorita dito, everybody does their share of work, at the office or at home.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Levi,

Appreciate your sound advice. Thanks for believing that we'll succeed where some have failed or are struggling.

You're right....we'll start from scratch. In fact, pinag-usapan at pinagdiskusyunan namin ng asawa ko ang maaaring maging buhay namin dyan. Aware kami na hindi magiging madali ang lahat. Lalo na't gaya ng sabi mo walang maid or yaya. Kayo mismo ang gagawa lahat. Ang worry namin sa ngaun, God willing kung maaprubahan kami, is the person who will look after our 1 & 6 months old son. We don't have any relatives nor acquaintance in NZ. Balita ko per hour ang bayad sa parang day care. Is it true? Thanks
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mcqueen wrote:
Levi,

Appreciate your sound advice. Thanks for believing that we'll succeed where some have failed or are struggling.

You're right....we'll start from scratch. In fact, pinag-usapan at pinagdiskusyunan namin ng asawa ko ang maaaring maging buhay namin dyan. Aware kami na hindi magiging madali ang lahat. Lalo na't gaya ng sabi mo walang maid or yaya. Kayo mismo ang gagawa lahat. Ang worry namin sa ngaun, God willing kung maaprubahan kami, is the person who will look after our 1 & 6 months old son. We don't have any relatives nor acquaintance in NZ. Balita ko per hour ang bayad sa parang day care. Is it true? Thanks


I think I will ask the question: even if you can afford a per hour basis child care centre, are both you willing to have your precious one in the care of total strangers? Of course, you can counter that you allow your children be taken care of yayas but remember, your yaya takes care of one baby - yours. Lintik lang ang walang ganti kay inday kung may pasa or gasgas ang baby pag-uwi nyo sa bahay.

Daycare centres take care of what - 10? 20? 30 children? Those children are healthy and active, and sometimes playfulness can lead to minor scrapes. How many workers take care of these babies? Can they give one on one attention that you expect to your baby?

Some thoughts to ponder with you and your wife's discussions. Anyhoo, hopefully your baby will be big enough when you arrive here. Or ....... both of you can decide who will be the stay home parent and the other one who will work - very controversial and i expect some very "lively" discussions between you both.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Levi,

You're right again. Will further discuss it with my spouse. Good day.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not going to be easy but I strongly believe that NZ life is a lot better than here in the Philippines.

It's a different story if you're coming from a well-off family. I heard a lot of complaints from them like they have to wash their own clothes, cook their own food, no helpers to clean up their place, etc... No offense but for me, those are basic stuff.

I also believe that people in the daycare centers are competent and responsible enough to take care of kids. I'm sure they wouldn't want to get sued if something happens to your kids.

I know Filipinos in general can adapt to any environment. You won't get filthy rich in NZ but I know NZ life is more relaxed, better and safer.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buti na lang simpleng mamamayan lang kami....madali lang kaming makakapag-adjust....hehehehe Laughing

Seriously speaking.....Life in NZ would be totally different but surely as you've said...a lot better, more relaxed and much safer.

Kaya apply na at kita kits na lang tayo dun. Good luck sating lahat Very Happy God bless us all Wink
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