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ray



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Nurse as Health Care Assistant Reply with quote

Hi,

My wife is a Reg. Nurse from the Philippines. Her IELTS overall band score is below NZ requirement of 7. Our consultant advised us that the quickest way to work in NZ is through a student visa and enrolling as a health care assistant for 3 months. Then work as HCA while processing the papers for CAP. Is this a good idea? Is HCA job ok?

Please help us provide any information about my wife's case.

Thank you very much
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mariacharinag



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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who is your consultant? In a way, she is right.

But not study as HCA. That's such a waste of time. What your wife can do is request for an application kit from the Nz Nursing Council. It will send you the lists of requirements she will need to submit, such as your RN Registration, etc.

Once it's completed, you send it back to the nursing council for assessment. The you will get a letter from them that you will need to enroll in a 3-month bridging course. Someone in NZ should enroll you in any of the selected schools and send the proof of enrollment back to you to submit with immigration as one of the requirements for a student visa.

While studying, you can work part-time as caregiver. Once you finish the course, you submit your certificate to the nursing council and that should give you the NZ Registration as a nurse.

While working through all these, you will need to retake your IELTS until you get the passing 7 for immigration purposes. Alternatively, you can get certification from your schools that the medium of teaching is English and you need not take IELTS.

If anything else I can help you with, you can e-mail me.

I hope this explanation helps.

Regards,
Maria
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ray



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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much Maria for that very helpful information.

Our consultant is healthshoppelink. We have not entered into a final contract yet coz I am still undecisive. My wife though likes to give it a try as HCA. She are supposed to be enrolled this coming July to October 2007 as HCA student in Auckland (School of Health and Studies), waitakere Hospital. She is completing all her requirements now.

Very quick indeed. We started communicating with the rep of our consultant just this april. I beleive the consultant is honest enough but the arrangement of studying as HCA really bothers me and some of our relatives. I think communicating with NZ nursing council is a safe process but it may take a longer time.

Anyway, thanks again Maria. We hope and pray that we will arrived at a good decision.

Raymond
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mariacharinag



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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Raymond.

I agree with your relatives. She is already an RN in the Philippines and all she need is to validate her RN registration into NZ Registration here and take the 3-month bridging course.

It is not as long. Taking HCA course is such a waste of time, and the salary is not as good as that of a nurse. Why would you study and practice as a caregiver when you are already a nurse?

And while taking the course, she can work as a caregiver anyway.

Huwag kang magmadali. One thing I assure you is that Nurses here are in demand and get really good salary.

Let me know if I can help you with anything. I am willing to extend a hand and help you in anyway I can, including asking for the Nursing Council Registration Kit and corresponding with you.

Regards,
Maria
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thelmallari



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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ray,

I'm an RN & in the final stages of application for the CAP in NZ. Here's my input..

1) i used to have an agent whom i authorized to deal with the nursing council of nz (NCNZ) but finally decided to cancel them. some balikbayan friends told us we could do it on our own and found it out to be true indeed.

2) although i've heard that your wife's consultant is legit, you can still SAVE A LOT of dough if your wife pursues the application on her own. yes, it can take sometime but there's really no hurry as nurses there are in demand.

3) to register there as an RN, the NCNZ requires nurses to have an IELTS overall band score of not less than 7 ,with no score below 7 in any of the four modules (listening, reading, writing & speaking). please visit their website www.nursingcouncil.org.nz for details on how to go about with the application for registration. you can download the information & forms which your wife will need to accomplish.

4) i can see two things here- either your wife takes the IELTS again & get that 7 or higher score because that's a NCNZ requirement for reg. nurses OR if she really wants to go now to NZ by taking the HCA course first & attend to the nurse registration later. whatever you may both decide, i hope it would be the best for all those concerned.

good luck!
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ray



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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Thelmallari,

Thanks for sharing your ideas. We really appreciate the two choices you presented. We will think it over very carefully. As what maria advised, huwag magmadali. Anyway, my wife's papers are all complete and in order except for the IELTS results. We can just resubmit as soon as our thoughts are settled.

Thanks maria for your kind offer to help us. We dont want to bother you as of the moment. What we may need is more information. But one thing that i am sure of about NZ is that there are many Filipina like you who are willing to help. I know that my wife will be safe when we finally decide to go to NZ. Many thanks and God Bless.

Raymond
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ray



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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Thelmallari,

Thanks for sharing your ideas. We really appreciate the two choices you presented. We will think it over very carefully. As what maria advised, huwag magmadali. Anyway, my wife's papers are all complete and in order except for the IELTS results. We can just resubmit as soon as our thoughts are settled.

Thanks maria for your kind offer to help us. We dont want to bother you as of the moment. What we may need is more information. But one thing that i am sure of about NZ is that there are many Filipina like you who are willing to help. I know that my wife will be safe when we finally decide to go to NZ. Many thanks and God Bless.

Raymond
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ray



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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Thelmallari,

Thanks for sharing your ideas. We really appreciate the two choices you presented. We will think it over very carefully. As what maria advised, huwag magmadali. Anyway, my wife's papers are all complete and in order except for the IELTS results. We can just resubmit as soon as our thoughts are settled.

Thanks maria for your kind offer to help us. We dont want to bother you as of the moment. What we may need is more information. But one thing that i am sure of about NZ is that there are many Filipina like you who are willing to help. I know that my wife will be safe when we finally decide to go to NZ. Many thanks and God Bless.

Raymond
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mariacharinag



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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goodluck to you and your wife, Ray. We're just here for more questions/help.
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johnybravo



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:58 am    Post subject: Its your options Reply with quote

I think its your choice and options. If hindi ka nagmamadali then let your wife take IELTS again then if she passed then proceed with Nursing Competency. However, HCA is a course offered for nursers below IELTS and Ive meet Nurses that are working in Hospital.....Its your choice bro
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ray



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks John, I do appreciate your info. You guys are really giving us the courage and hope in making it to NZ. Doubts are slowly being erased as things are becoming much more clearer. Still lots of works, but its good since you're moving into the right directions.

Thank you.
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rita



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really dont undertsand why so many Filipina Nurses here in New Zealand are willing to pay half a million pesos to K________ Recruitment just to get a 3-month student visa to study ACE (Aged Care Ed) when I was accepted to work as a health care assistant (I worked for 5 months as caregiver till I got an office job) without any qualifications or even experience in aged care? Irony at its best.

I dont wish to offend Filipina Nurses here, many of whomhere in NZ I count asmy good friends. Please take my statements with a grain of salt as the truth is very valuable in decision making. I am very concerned that our kababayans are being victimized by recuritment agencies who do not deliver as expected and eventually sent home empty handed.

I met two kinds of Filipina Nurses here:

1. A typical registered Filipina Nurse here got here via relevant websites without any consultant or recruiter. They did their homework, researched how to get registered by the council, enrolled in the 2-3 month bridging course and passed the IELTS (kahit ilang retake ata pwede correct me if Im wrong).

There are allot of registered Filipina Nurses here and they took care of their own applications without resorting to agents who charge ridiculously high fees just to get you a student visa for 3 months???

2. A typical unregistered Filipina Nurse here in NZ enter NZ by the hundreds with a 3-month student visa to study ACE. They are usually found in cramped housing facilities (5-8 persons in a one bedroom flat) and there is this group I know of who are almost starving here as they share just one loaf of bread every morning and get the other two meals with much luck. They walk everyday to their schools, sometimes for 30-45 minutes and they have shied away from mixing with other Filipinos because they feel ashamed of their situation.

I think its a rip-off and a very very risky decision. SUGAL ika nga. In my old hospital and resthome they take in about 5 of these Filipina Nurses (under the ACE program) for unpaid training (apprenticeship). Two out of Five of these nurses were given a job offer as a healthcare assistant (caregiver) for 6 months and subsequently granted a work visa. The three are now BACK in the Philippines.

The job offer as caregivers does not guarantee a nursing job though as they need to fulfill the requirements of the nursing council to get registered - as ACE is not a guarantee for registration as some nurses mistakenly believe.

Also a nurse practicing caregiving can forget about applying for Permanent Residence as I know of some cases who got denied of a PR because they are expected to be in nursing professions and not caregiving to be able to apply for residency. (If a nurse in NZ got PR via caregiving please speak out so I can stand corrected here)


I totally agree with Maria...and Thelmallari

Make a wise choice!
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ray



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rita, Thank you very much!

Sharing us your expeiences and your thoughts about nurses practising HCA or ACE is very valuable to us.

We will surely consider it in our present and future undertakings, hopefully making it to NZ.

God bless all of you.

Raymond
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leo_thefilipino



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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mariacharinag wrote:
Who is your consultant? In a way, she is right.

But not study as HCA. That's such a waste of time. What your wife can do is request for an application kit from the Nz Nursing Council. It will send you the lists of requirements she will need to submit, such as your RN Registration, etc.

Once it's completed, you send it back to the nursing council for assessment. The you will get a letter from them that you will need to enroll in a 3-month bridging course. Someone in NZ should enroll you in any of the selected schools and send the proof of enrollment back to you to submit with immigration as one of the requirements for a student visa.

While studying, you can work part-time as caregiver. Once you finish the course, you submit your certificate to the nursing council and that should give you the NZ Registration as a nurse.

While working through all these, you will need to retake your IELTS until you get the passing 7 for immigration purposes. Alternatively, you can get certification from your schools that the medium of teaching is English and you need not take IELTS.

If anything else I can help you with, you can e-mail me.

I hope this explanation helps.

Regards,
Maria


Hi there maria, Ive read your post and I said to myself nakahanap ako ng angel na handang tumulong sa mga kababayan nya.

Please help me by inquiring how much does the bridging program would cost so we can prepare for the financial part of the process to apply in NZ.
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leo_thefilipino



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:11 pm    Post subject: Health Care Assistant Course Reply with quote

I would like to post this as part of my contribution to this thread.

http://www.manukau.ac.nz/study/search/CourseInfo.asp?pSCNumber=174

To apply please complete the Health Support Assistant Programme form, available from the Department of Nursing and Health Studies.

About the Programme

For people currently employed who have not had the opportunity to gain a formal qualification, or for those seeking employment in a health support role. Successful graduates will be able to be a generic health worker who can make a valuable contribution to a healthcare team.

Cost (2007)

$1362 average

Programme Summary

The programme has four compulsory courses:

1. You and the New Zealand Healthcare System
2. Relationships within the Healthcare System
3. Supporting a Safe Environment
4. Support Activities in the Healthcare System
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