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ann2
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levi
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand
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But our kababayans must also realize that migrating to nz is not as easy as it seems. Sure, Canada and Aus immigration is one tough, expensive nut to crack but nz has a special 'surprise' for majority of unsuspecting migrants: we only give pr when you get a job, otherwise you take the next plane to your home country. |
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ann2
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That is very true, levi. Not only a job, but di ba dapat "related job" approved by immigration.
Pero yun nga, unlike sa Australia (and now Canada), may fighting chance pa rin. In both Australia and Canada now, kung patay ka na sa umpisa, tapos na ang boxing. |
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levi
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| ann2 wrote: | That is very true, levi. Not only a job, but di ba dapat "related job" approved by immigration.
Pero yun nga, unlike sa Australia (and now Canada), may fighting chance pa rin. In both Australia and Canada now, kung patay ka na sa umpisa, tapos na ang boxing. |
As long as our kababayans have weighted their options and know what's in store for them here in new zealand, then I am perfectly happy with that. |
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bhed
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Immigrating to another country would be one of the serious decisions anyone will make. Ang advice ko lang is pag-isipan ninyong maigi before going for it. The grass isn't always greener at the other side of the field. |
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JAP
Joined: 31 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| levi wrote: | | ann2 wrote: | That is very true, levi. Not only a job, but di ba dapat "related job" approved by immigration.
Pero yun nga, unlike sa Australia (and now Canada), may fighting chance pa rin. In both Australia and Canada now, kung patay ka na sa umpisa, tapos na ang boxing. |
As long as our kababayans have weighted their options and know what's in store for them here in new zealand, then I am perfectly happy with that. |
Hi ann2!  How are you? Hope all is well. I do need a favor from you if you can clarify these items you raised - "Pero yun nga, unlike sa Australia (and now Canada), may fighting chance pa rin. In both Australia and Canada now, kung patay ka na sa umpisa, tapos na ang boxing."
just wanted to know what you meant. I wanted to point out some items but i might have misinterpret what you wanted to say here.
Have been visiting the site often again lately, but cannot give advice as much as i wanted as immigration policies change quite a lot from the time i first migrated to NZ and not having first hand experience on the "new regulations", i am very careful in answering or giving opinion that might misled some people here. But im back and can give some clarifications on items that I know and will pass some to others who know it more than i do.
Cheers!
jap |
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ann2
Joined: 12 Dec 2007
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Hi Jap!
To clarify that point, in Australia, one must have his skills assessed prior to being able to proceed to apply for professional or skilled migration (the pathway that most of us take--those without family or surplus money).
Canada just passed a new law. Prior to this new law, one just had to be a skilled worker and reach the minimum points and one would be assured of getting a permanent resident visa (thought the wait was 5 to 6 years). Because of this relatively open system, they have a 900,000 person backlog. Now Canada wants to get rid of its "immigration backlog". They want to be selective in the people that they are getting. They are now looking at the Australian model and would probably follow its mechanism.
So for Australia, having a degree in the Philippines and a job in the Philippines in that same line does not guarantee one can migrate to Australia. You have to pass the appropriate skills assessment before you will be allowed to apply for migration. I expect Canada to eventually have a similar process. I do not think they (Australia and Canada) want highly skilled scientists or accountants working as drivers anymore so to make sure of that, you must be qualified and/or licensed by the appropriate accrediting body. This approval by the accrediting body is the difficult first step.
For New Zealand, it is a gamble, you get your WTR visa and then hope to find a related job and hope it will be approved by immigration.
Correct me if I have made some errors. Thanks in advance. |
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JAP
Joined: 31 Mar 2005
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Hey Ann2 – thanks for the clarification. Like I said, I might have misinterpreted the message, in which I did. I apologize.
Going back to the immigration policies now here in Canada, You are right that they are trying to target specific migrants, though it is not really as different from the previous one. It is still the same process as before (point system) but now they are more specific on what they really need rather than just any professionals. Even then you need to pass their point system before you can be invited to apply for migration or what they called FSW (Federal Skilled Worker). Pero ito ay patakbo ng Federal government. Yung mga provinces established their own immigration policy – heto yung tinatawag nilang Provincial Nominee Program. Mas mabilis ang processing nito, sometimes 1 year lang meron ka ng working visa but this is for skilled people like for example sa Manitoba o Alberta, kailangan nila ng welder at carpenter dahil sa dami ng projects. You need a job offer for this. Companies do hire overseas to sustain their business. In a way ito yung ginagaya ng Federal government. Kasi yung provincial government, alam nila kung ano ang kailangan nila sa lugar nila at yun ang hinahanap nila. Not just professional migrants but blue collar migrants like welders, carpenters, sastre, embalmer at kung ano-ano pa. Although kailangan ng schooling ang mga ito, hindi naman kailangan na University grad ka, marami dito from Pilipinas that are professionals na kumuha ng certification o diploma sa TESDA and landed here as welder o machinist and they are doing well.
Pero this is not fast enough pa rin to get immigrants as the economy is booming in some provinces, so naglagay sila ng bagong immigration procedure to hire foreign workers with two years contract. Karamihan ng trabahong ito ay yung mga nasa hotel/restaurant business. These companies can’t find workers na Canadian as other companies are hiring them with better pay. So sa Pinas, China at Mexico sila kumukuha. Most hotels and restaurants here are manned by Filipinos. But this type of contract work, hindi ka pwedeng maging immigrant. Para kang nag Saudi lang. Pag tapos ng contract balik ka na sa Pinas, then if you want to go back apply ka uli. Sad part on this is that, unscrupulous individuals sa Pilipinas are charging placement fee of 120K para lang makapagtrabaho dito. This is against the Canadian law. Kung meron mang fee, yung mag gastos lang ng processing/medicals at never na aabot sa ganoon halaga. It was on the news a while ago and the Canadian government is telling the companies here not to accept employees from some agencies back sa Pinas.
But with this new regulation plus the time needed to find experienced people, nahirapan pa rin silang makakuha ng empleyado – so may bago na naman silang ginawa sa Alberta province. This time if you are a landed immigrant or citizen here you can petition your uncle, auntie, kapatid, parents, at pamangkin to supplement yung pangangailan na trabahador. This type of immigration is faster also. Kasi yung show money sa petitioner na mangagaling kung walang maipapakita yung applicant. Here is the link: http://www.gov.ab.ca/acn/200806/23820A180F4B9-FD9D-9F34-06E70E9A13A07AC0.html
So you are right when you say that the Canadian federal government is copying the Australian system of migration or probably they are changing it because of the needs that they see and copying the provincial style of migration. So professionals or not can apply with different immigration streams. They can apply directly to provinces (Provincial nominee) or thru the federal. The only difference between the two is, if applicants passed the migration process, those who applied thru Federal will get Permanent resident status when they land here while the provincial nominee will get a work visa and can be converted to PR.
The contract worker, for now is limited to two years but I know a lot of the hotels and restaurants are asking the government to change it so they can extend the years and hopefully they can also convert it to PR at a later stage (paano kung mag-uwian na at hindi na bumalik?).
The 900,000 backlog, this number is for all streams of immigration. Around a third of those are thru family sponsorship. It took me five years to get my mom here, and I heard others were able to get their parents in less than that, while others are still waiting 5 years later. They will not get rid of the backlog and will continue to process it, but will be selective in accepting future applicants.
Sa mga professional's naman, like in NZ, they are also looking for that local experience, but with the economy right now – they can’t afford to be choosy or else they will not find another person again for a long time. This is happening right now, I don’t now what will happen in the next two years but as long as the oil price is ridiculously high, there will be a need of skilled employees here in Alberta and in some parts of Saskatchewan, Manitoba and British Columbia.
Most newly landed migrants are able to land a job related to their skills and experience. A lot of accountants from Philippines are now registered here as CGA, CMA or CA. They took 8 subjects I think, and exams to get the CGA designations. Same with engineers, nurses and doctors, there are process to upgrade their skills and be recognized if they wanted to. I go to hospitals and I will bump into a lot of kababayan nurses. Some are happy being a draftsman or health employees as the pay are good enough to supplement their needs and probably don’t want to go back to school. By the way, the schooling here can be at night or online so it will not affect your schedule if you are working. There are ways to be recognized professionally, but it is up to individual person to do the work – and there are public and private organizations that helps in achieving this.
In the end there is a fighting chance for all applicants but like what other people are saying here – it is up to the applicants to do their homework.
Cheers!!! |
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lovelyn
Joined: 27 Jun 2008
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| hi everyone I am new here and trying to back read all info's and i must say very informative, hopefully once natapos ko na ang dapat kong mga pagbabasahin at aralin. I know in time magtatanong na din ako sa mga experiences nyo. I hope I am welcome here |
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seefee
Joined: 17 Sep 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Hello! May nakita akong job ad dito sa net, naghahanap raw ng fruit pickers, paano ko malalaman kung ligal yun at hindi nantitrip lang? Heto nga pala yung link: http://www.bestjobs.ph/bt-empd-newzealandjob.htm |
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vegimite
Joined: 31 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| i think its illegal . Coz the Philippines does not have a working holiday visa scheme with NZ (yan ang type ng visa ng mga foreigner na pumapasok sa horticulture jobs).... saka wala sa shortage list ang fruit picking jobs. |
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seefee
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hay, oo nga e. 
Wait, how about yung Recognised Seasonal Employer (RSE) Work Policy? |
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wellingtonianbuddy
Joined: 02 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| seasonal employment policy applies to certain countries only. Philippines is not one of them. |
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desperate
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: i need an advice |
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i am a registered nurse in the philippines and went here in nz to visit my sister.
A resthome gave me a job offer as a caregiver and then filed for a work permit.
The immigration officer send me a letter telling me that they are not convinced, madami daw citizens na pwedeng makuha para sa trabahong caregiver.
Tumawag employer ko sa officer explaining her and my side, 6 months na syang naghahanap ng anim na caregivers pero di matiis ng mga new zealanders ang pagod at nurse daw ako but willing to do the job. Nagkainitan sila ng officer dahil gusto nya talaga akong i-hire.
I dont know what to do now, the officer is asking me more support infos para maconvince na wala talagang makuhang ibang new zealanders.
Deadline na next week, sakit na ng ulo ko.
Please help me. |
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wellingtonianbuddy
Joined: 02 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Your employer ought to follow the procedures set forth by NZIS when hiring foreign workers. one basic criterion is that your employer must provide evidence that no locallly-based individual can suitably perform the job. This needs evidence like persistent job advertisements proving that the employer has difficulty hiring workers.
You mentioned that your employer said that no local labor stays long on the job. Perhaps, a document of this can be sent to NZIS as well to suggest that indeed, hiring foreign labor is the only option.
cheers! |
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