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Chris
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Hi Everyone,
nice to hear from you guys...
hi JAP, nice to hear from you... do you mind if I ask, are you residing in New Zealand right now?
Well, I do have a lot of questions to ask but here are just two of them:
If I secure a tourist visa and get to NZ then get a permanent job offer in my field, can I re-apply for an immigrant visa?
Or, should I get a temporary residence permit so I myself can look for a job there in NZ?
I am willing to invest my money in finding a job in NZ on my own and not through NewJobz..although a placement agency is also OK by me, but that agency should charge me their fee AFTER I get a permanent job.
JAP, as was previously asked by TEACHERS, are their Filipino communities or organizations in NZ who can assist fellow Filipinos with regards to job placement, board & lodging, etc.?
JAP, could you please post me a reply also to my email add regarding this (chris_decano@yahoo.com).
best regards,
Chris
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:41 am Post subject: Seeking Advise |
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JAP,
Its really generous of you to provide advise to people seeking assistance in migrating.
I also have plans of migrating either to Australia or New Zealand.
You've been in NZ for a good number of years now and I would just like to know more about the following:
1) Is NZ a good place to raise your children? I have 2 kids, a boy and a girl, aged 8 and 5 respectively.
2) How do Maoris/Kiwis generally look upon Filipinos? Are Filipinos considered a "lesser" race?
My interest in migrating is born out of my desire to uplift my children's way of life... something which the Philippines can no longer offer.
I will be collating all my documents soon in preparation for my applications for migration to Australia or New Zealand.
Looking forward to your honest and personal advise.
You can e-mail me at rlanel@tri-isys.com
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:29 am Post subject: |
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First of all, the comments here are mine only. This is how I experienced it. Now, others might have a different experience than mine. I would suggest if you knew someone who migrated to NZ, to ask them too. It is better to have a different opinion.
Teachers = cannot deliver to your posted email address.
Chris = I will try to answer everything here as a lot of people have the same questions.
RLA = ditto
ABBY: Me and my friends are also aiming for a better future in nz. We are starting to gather things we need to apply for a tourist visa. What worries us right now, is what's gonna happen to us when we get there. The chances that we have in having a job.
CHRIS: If I secure a tourist visa and get to NZ then get a permanent job offer in my field, can I re-apply for an immigrant visa?
• Don’t’ go to NZ as a tourist. It is very hard to get a job. Now there are exemptions – if you are really, really good in your line of work – meaning “they can’t find anybody in about 3.5 million plus Kiwi” with the same qualifications you have, then you’re okay, if not it will be really, really hard for you to find a job. Of all the years that I’ve been in NZ, only 3 people out of 40+, that I know of, who came in as a tourist and were successful in finding work and became permanent residents. One is an accomplished Accountant back home with Master and PHD, the other one is an analyst/programmer and the other one is a lamp maker. And this occurred way back early 90’s. Let me clarify first my experience here as a tourist.
• I went here as a tourist but not with “bahala na” attitude because my wife had a valid job offer and the company who hires her already told us that they will support our papers for migration (this is prevalent during that time). Knowing that we have support from this NZ based company, I have a fall back kung hindi umubra yung pag-aaply ko ng trabaho as a tourist. A big part of that first 6 months that I can’t get a job is that my visa then is a tourist visa. If you are a tourist you can not get IRD # (equivalent of TAN sa atin). Nobody will hire you (legally) if you don’t have this. Now, you might hear others saying, fruit picker na trabaho hindi kailangan ng IRD #. I cannot confirm that dahil wala pa akong naka-usap na Pinoy na fruit picking as their job. By the time na nakapasok na ako sa McDo and train conductor, legal na permanent resident (PR) na kami dito sa NZ (during that time 3-12 months lang ina-abot yung processing to be a permanent resident here). I am writing this one not to lecture any of you, but to let you know how hard it is to land a job as a tourist. NZ employer will go great lengths to hire you if you have those special skills that they need. Hiring a tourist is time/financial consuming for them. Like I said, you must be really, really good on the type of job you are applying for.
• It is VERY important to check the POL (priority occupational list) in the immigration web site before migrating here or even visiting, ng sa ganoon alam mo na may laban ka at magagamit yung pinag-aralan mo. Here is the site. http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/work/workandlivepermanently/whatopportunities/default.htm
• CHRIS, if you get an offer, most likely your tourist visa will be converted to work permit – while you have the work permit you can apply for permanent resident from within (mas me laban ka na dahil nagtratrabaho kana sa NZ although not automatic that it will be approved).
CHRIS: Or, should I get a temporary residence permit so I myself can look for a job there in NZ?
• I don’t know how this works, but if you can do it this way then go for it. I think they will give you a number of months to look for a job and if you find a job within that time frame, you can convert your visa to a working permit. Not sure though, better check with immigration on this.
ABBY: We are willing to have even a low level job 'coz for sure it will still offer a much bigger salary compared to what we are receiving here in the Philippines.
• This is common scenario from people who wanted to get away from the Philippines. But do you know why salaries of Filipinos in Saudi went down? It is because of this attitude of some of our compatriot. If you apply for a teacher position; ask for a teacher’s compensation not lower than that. Pag binaba mo ang rate mo, other employers will soon realize that they can get professional back home or somewhere else at a lower rate – sa susunod baka ikaw na ang mawalan ng trabaho dahil may makukuha sila na mas mababa pa sa rate mo, at marami naman ang papatol. I know the situation right now sa atin, but again don’t lower your standard.
ABBY/CHRIS: Do you know of a group/organization of Filipinos there in NZ who are willing to support /assist co-Filipinos who are new to the country?
• Each city here in NZ has Filipino groups or associations. Will they be willing to help/support? – I cannot answer for them, but here are some websites from those organizations. Auckland - http://www.capo.org.nz/ , http://www.mabuhaynz.com Wellington - http://www.nz-philsociety.wellington.net.nz/ , Tauranga - http://www.geocities.com/tauranga_filipino_society/ , Also, you have to realize that Filipinos here have families to support too. I guess it depends on what support do you need – Can they help you look for a job? – Sure, they will give you the list of companies hiring! Help you land that job? – No, it will be your own skills and abilities that will get you that job. Walang palakasan dito – I’ll take that back – very minimal ang ugaling yon dito. Now I have to repeat this, if you are a tourist –it will be hard for our kababayan here in NZ to help you as we know how hard it is (we’ve seen it before). Board and Lodging? – lahat tayo nagtratrabaho, hindi naman libre lahat – so you can negotiate with anybody for board and lodging. We pay the rent weekly or bi-weekly. Check this site www.stuff.co.nz – go to property stuff then go to “To Let” this is the rental properties – Flatmates – this is you sharing the house with others. Will give you an idea how much the cost of rental in particular area.
CHRIS: Hi JAP, nice to hear from you... do you mind if I ask, are you residing in New Zealand right now?
• I don’t mind. Right now, I am living in Canada. I also worked and live in Australia for a while. You see, if you have the NZ passport – you can go and work in Australia legally. You are considered an Australian Permanent resident. NZ have what they call OE (overseas experience) for its citizen, tie up with other countries. We applied for that one also for Canada. And we love what we've seen here that we decided to stay. But that does not meant we don’t like NZ. We love living in NZ – and we'll surely go back there when the right time comes.
RLA: Is NZ a good place to raise your children? I have 2 kids, a boy and a girl, aged 8 and 5 respectively.
• Comparing to Philippines – yes. Comparing it to other country – it depends on what you are looking for.
RLA: How do Maoris/Kiwis generally look upon Filipinos? Are Filipinos considered a "lesser" race?
• This is a touchy subject. Have you seen how some of our countrymen back home treat the Igorots in Manila? Anywhere you go you’ll find people that hate other race. I will not say there are no accounts of racial discrimination here but very, very few. Majority of New Zealanders (Pakeha (white guys) and Maoris) are friendly people. In fact, they are friendlier than us.
The best way to get into NZ – apply for permanent resident status. If your skills are in POL, then you have enough points already, and if you pass, you have a better chance of coming here as a landed migrant, and landed migrant = better opportunities.
I will not stop you from doing what you think is right for you. But I am not recommending to any of you or any of our kababayan to go here as a tourist and try their luck (this is not US - it is a very small country with a very small population). Go the tried and tested way. By the way, if you decided to go as a skilled migrant, you do not need to get an immigration consultant, every application form is free – download it from the website. Having a consultant will not make your application process go faster; it is first come – first serve. The processing was move to Singapore dahil alam ng gobyerno ng NZ na nagkakalagayan dyan sa atin. Hope this will help you in your decision.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Jap,
Thanks for the valuable insights.
Once last inquiry if you don't mind...
You've lived in Australia, New Zealand and now settled in Canada. Having experienced what you have these past years moving on from one country to another, for a "first-time" Filipino migrating to one of these countries, which country would you recommend first.
As I mentioned in my earlier messages, I plan on migrating with my family (wife and 2 kids). 'Am not an IT guy and my current field of expertise is NOT is any of the priority lists of Australia, New Zealand or Canada. Initial points tests put me just above these countries' minimum points requirements for skilled migrant visa application. I visited Australia last September 2004 and have seen Sydney, the Sunshine Coast (Maroochy Shire) and Cairns - I really liked the country. I have not been to New Zealand nor Canada but we do have relatives in Vancouver. I have 2 brothers and a sister in the US but no relatives in Australia or New Zealand.
I would like to try applying for immigration in all three countries but financial as well as time contraints (I am also not sure if simultaneous applications is a wise thing to do) compel me to prioritize. Your own personal experience and insight is perhaps one of the more valuable inputs I will need to set our priorities.
Looking forward to your posting.
Regards and God bless,
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Hello! I was just reading everyones entry and htought i would put my two cents in....I am a filipino Canadian and last year I went to live and work in New zeland for a year. It was a great experience non the less and I think anyone who goes there are bound to like it.
Finding a job was not to hard, like many people have said on this forum, it really depends on what qualifications u have and what type of job u are looking for. I wasn't lookng for anything permanent and was able to find jobs in hopspitality with no problem, although for those of you who would like to migrate there, I defiantely suggest you check out the immigration new zealand web site. Checking to see if you qualify for one of the area's of specialty they are looking for will give you more of a chance to see if will be able to get a work visa. As far as a tourist visa goes, im not quite sure if you are legal to work there if you are on that visa...although i could be wrong.
Also i wnated to mention about working on fruit farms...I had a couple of friends who worked there casually, and to be honest it really is not the greatest job you would want to partake in. Some fruit picking can be really hard and strenous if you are not fast enough - so some farmers only pay you for the amount you pick in a day or some of my friends found that there employers tried to gip them from there pay, so i would be a little cautious if planning to get a job fruit picking.....its an okay job for temporary but definately not long term...i dont recommend it worth it to work for.
one little piece of advice as well, new zealand is a beautiful country with beautiful people with big hearts...but I have found that because it is realtively a new ocuntry and quite small that if you are there...you may find youll run into some "ignorant" people..which is a shame but I guess its everywhere. I would say that I found that racism was quite evident while living there esp. against asians...although I never had a problem finding a job so I dont think its is any reason to worry about securing one, although I do know for a fact that there are "some" individuals out there who will hire based on "ethnicity" and that some companies are weary about hiring migrants....it defintaely is there loss though and i hope that these employers will realise that.
The big cities such as auckland and wellington could be quite comptetive when lookng for a job but going to the smaller area's might help. If any type of job is not a problem then i suggest try applying at some of the hotels, tourism is one of the biggest and strongest area's for the economy over there and hotels are constantly looking for people...wether it be food and beverage servers, hotel concierge and front desk etc...your bound to find a job in this area and often these job lead to higher positions in the future.
well i hope some of this info helps, I hope all of you make your dreams come tru. All the best! =) |
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Hello! I was just reading everyones entry and htought i would put my two cents in....I am a filipino Canadian and last year I went to live and work in New zeland for a year. It was a great experience non the less and I think anyone who goes there are bound to like it.
Finding a job was not to hard, like many people have said on this forum, it really depends on what qualifications u have and what type of job u are looking for. I wasn't lookng for anything permanent and was able to find jobs in hopspitality with no problem, although for those of you who would like to migrate there, I defiantely suggest you check out the immigration new zealand web site. Checking to see if you qualify for one of the area's of specialty they are looking for will give you more of a chance to see if will be able to get a work visa. As far as a tourist visa goes, im not quite sure if you are legal to work there if you are on that visa...although i could be wrong.
Also i wnated to mention about working on fruit farms...I had a couple of friends who worked there casually, and to be honest it really is not the greatest job you would want to partake in. Some fruit picking can be really hard and strenous if you are not fast enough - so some farmers only pay you for the amount you pick in a day or some of my friends found that there employers tried to gip them from there pay, so i would be a little cautious if planning to get a job fruit picking.....its an okay job for temporary but definately not long term...i dont recommend it worth it to work for.
one little piece of advice as well, new zealand is a beautiful country with beautiful people with big hearts...but I have found that because it is realtively a new ocuntry and quite small that if you are there...you may find youll run into some "ignorant" people..which is a shame but I guess its everywhere. I would say that I found that racism was quite evident while living there esp. against asians...although I never had a problem finding a job so I dont think its is any reason to worry about securing one, although I do know for a fact that there are "some" individuals out there who will hire based on "ethnicity" and that some companies are weary about hiring migrants....it defintaely is there loss though and i hope that these employers will realise that.
The big cities such as auckland and wellington could be quite comptetive when lookng for a job but going to the smaller area's might help. If any type of job is not a problem then i suggest try applying at some of the hotels, tourism is one of the biggest and strongest area's for the economy over there and hotels are constantly looking for people...wether it be food and beverage servers, hotel concierge and front desk etc...your bound to find a job in this area and often these job lead to higher positions in the future.
well i hope some of this info helps, I hope all of you make your dreams come tru. All the best! =) |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:52 am Post subject: |
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Hi JAP,
Sorry I gave you the wrong email ad it's abbylove1@lycos.com. I hope you still have the patience to re-send your mail if you already did.
Thanks.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Jap,
It's ok, you may not send me the message unless of course you still have something to add aside from what you have already discussed here. You have been such a great eye opener to us. Infact, everybody is, for sharing their insights.
Talaga ngang "there's no place like home" kung d lang talaga mahirap ang buhay dito who would want to go to other place. At, wala ng hihigit pa sa mga Pinoy.
Thanks again for all the information and advice.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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RLA and to all,
I will try to give the best solutions to your questions based on my personal experiences.
You've lived in Australia, New Zealand and now settled in Canada. Having experienced what you have these past years moving on from one country to another, for a "first-time" Filipino migrating to one of these countries, which country would you recommend first.
- What I will recommend is the country that will give you the opportunity to use your skills. Skills you learned from school, the one you are doing right now or even a hobby that you can utilize (i.e. carpentry) You can check if the country is in need of your skills by searching job ads. Check local newspapers, recruiting firms in the city you preferred to go and look which among them is in need of your skillsets. You can set a baseline and probably check every week for 3 months to compare. (No guarantees to be effective until you arrive, but a good indication of job market). The reason I am recommending this because you want to migrate to a country where you have the best chance to get a job that you like, where you will be compensated right and be able to provide your family the things they need.
As I mentioned in my earlier messages, I plan on migrating with my family (wife and 2 kids). 'Am not an IT guy and my current field of expertise is NOT is any of the priority lists of Australia, New Zealand or Canada. Initial points tests put me just above these countries' minimum points requirements for skilled migrant visa application.
- Working in IT is a bit of a plus, as I have explained before, but that should not make you less of a good candidate for skilled migrant. You said you pass just above the minimum points. Well there is only two options really, pass or fail. You pass, so you can go.
I visited Australia last September 2004 and have seen Sydney, the Sunshine Coast (Maroochy Shire) and Cairns - I really liked the country. I have not been to New Zealand nor Canada but we do have relatives in Vancouver. I have 2 brothers and a sister in the US but no relatives in Australia or New Zealand.
- Having friends or relatives helps in settling to a new place. First medyo tipid ng konti sa gastos, second may makakatulong sa iyo sa pag-aasikaso ng mga documents na kaliangan mo (i.e. tax #, health card, etc) plus siempre iba yung may nag eencourage sa iyo. When i went to Sydney I stayed with a friend. I rented one of their extra room while my wife stayed in Wellington. Kung wala kang matutuluyan, my suggestion once you and your family receive you visa, go alone first, once nakakuha ka na ng trabaho pwede nang sumunod ang pamilya unless mahaba ang pisi mo,then disregard my suggestion. Btw, for new migrants kahit saan bayan ka mapunta heto ang madalas mong maririnig sa mga employer: I am sorry, we cannot hire you because you do not have local experience. (local = country's name). This is common kaya hwag magalala. Just keep on sending resume (CV) hangang makakuha ka ng trabaho.
I would like to try applying for immigration in all three countries but financial as well as time contraints (I am also not sure if simultaneous applications is a wise thing to do) compel me to prioritize. Your own personal experience and insight is perhaps one of the more valuable inputs I will need to set our priorities.
- Well you are right, magastos kung sabay-sabay, take time to think about it. Research the countries you wanted to migrate. Check the government website – if you can check the website of a particular city much better. You have to make sure that the place fit your needs and lifestyle (hindi yung gusto ng iba na tinutulak sa iyo). Don’t be swayed by the beautiful pictures, all cities have their bad side too. Our experience moving to NZ is different from most of you there right now, we(wife) have a job offer. Moving to Australia is smooth because we are NZ citizen. While in Canada, we were able to secure the same job we are doing in NZ and Australia (but we went through the same process of applying as a landed immigrant).
Moving to another place is a big task. Moving to another country is even a larger task. With the advent of internet you can research a place before you visit or move there (nung kami pumunta, wala akong alam sa NZ - sa globe ko lang sya nakikita). You can make an intelligent decision before pursuing it.
I will try my best to differentiate the places, specifically the cities I spent time living and working namely Wellington in New Zealand, Sydney in Australia and Calgary in Canada. Again, this is my personal take.
Cost of Living Wellington Sydney Calgary
Housing: better good best
Food: best better good
Weather: better best good
Job: good best better
Health: good better best
Security: best good better
Transportation: good best better
Clothing: good better best
Communisty: best good better
Tax: good better best
Education: better good best
Housing – Calgary: Based on rental fee and amenities included.
Food - Wellington: Vegetables, fruits, meat, seafood, dairy products cost, freshness and affordability. Though chicken and pork is cheap in Sydney. In addition, more access to Filipino type of food in Sydney and Calgary than in Wellington.
Weather - Sydney: what else can I say, it is paradise over there.
Job – Sydney : based on job opportunities right now for my skillset
Health - Calgary: All of these countries have free hospitalization – but here it covers almost everything for a small fee.
Security - Wellington: the smaller the city the lower crime rate
Transportation - Sydney: the bigger the city the better infrastructure
Clothing - Calgary: Because of bigger market, it is cheaper in Canada
Community - Wellington: very friendly people New Zealanders
Tax - Calgary: less tax, plus the province of Alberta has no debt
Education - Calgary: Probably the quality are all the same but for less money
As you can see, there are some things to sacrifice to achieve your needs. Again, these choices are based on my own experience. Who knows, it might be cheaper in Melbourne, Australia or Vancouver, Canada or Auckland in NZ. The numbers here highlights the city not the country. It might be cheapest in Calgary regarding housing, but it is very expensive in Vancouver (more than NZ and Australia).
On another note, I just want to clarify some issues raise by our kababayan "Traveler" on his posting ng sa ganoon hindi magkalituhan. He mentioned that jobs are not hard to find - this is true if you have the proper visa. Our good kababayan did not mention what type of visa he's holding, but i will assume by reading through his posting that it is a 1 year working holiday visa (the same OE explained in my last post). This type of visa is not available for citizens of Philippines. Also he mentioned that he's not looking for a permanent work, just casual work. This is common among OE holders, backpackers - will work odd jobs - while travelling to supplement their baon. His purpose of going to NZ is different from majority of you backhome. So we cannot compare apples to oranges. Now as far as the other events he encountered - sad to hear that he experience those things. We are resident of NZ for 8 years and did not see much of what our kababayan "Traveler" saw and felt about the Kiwis.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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hi PO SA LAHAT!
Ako?? Just like anyone of you gusto ko rin pong makapunta sa New Zealand. Even as i work here as a Professional i did not mind na kung pagdating sa New Zealand ay taga-linis lang po ng kubeta ang magiging trabaho ko. I know it it will need time na makakuha ng magandang trabaho(na kagaya ng work mo dito sa Pinas) dun dahil sa competion with other nationalities di mo pa sinasama yung mga taga-New zealand na talaga.
I just need to be there and work,work and work for my family kahit ano pong trabaho pansamantala. Good Luck to everyone!! Iba talaga ang Pinoy!
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RLA
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:03 am Post subject: Thanks JAP! |
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Jap,
Thanks for the time and effort you've put into your replies to my queries. Exactly what I wanted (though I must admit, your insights give me more things to consider and think about).
I'm still in the process of collating my historical employment documents prior to filing my application (wherever we decide to migrate to). Any suggestions here?
In all the postings I've gone through, yours have been the most helpful and insightful --- thank you.
I will keep you posted. Keep us posted as well.
Warmest regards to your family,
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:08 am Post subject: |
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Hello mga kabayan,
Natutuwa ako kasi may ganitong forum sa web regarding New Zealand!
Tulad din ng marami sa inyo, gusto ko rin na makapag trabaho sa magandang bansa gaya ng New Zealand. Ang purpose ko naman sa pagpunta sa NZ is work temporarily lang, atleast 2 to 3 years only, may nagsabi sa akin na open daw ang NZ sa ganung agreement. Kailangan ko raw muna ng job offer from NZ then kung meron na punta ako sa NZ embassy here in pinas at kumuha ako ng working visa. Ang problem ay yung job offer from NZ, di pala ganun kadali ang maghanap ng job offer.
Ang dami kong pinasahan ng CV ko thru email pero puro "unfortunately"
ang nakuha ko, di dahil sa bagsak ako sa mga requirments nila kundi dahil
nandito ako sa pinas. Parang di nako tuloy naniniwala na tumatangap ang NZ ng mga overseas contract workers.
Is there any body who can give advice kung possible pa akong
makarating sa New Zealand to work teporarily?
Regards to all of you.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I migrated to NZ three years ago and here are some thoughts:
Application tip:
RLA, I don't know if this is useful to you but when I filed my application, I made sure that it was well packaged. Overkill siguro but I had my forms and documents ordered properly (based on what NZIS asked for), with dividers pa. Was very conscious of my penmanship and I even included short explanations where I think the officer could have some questions. I wouldn't credit this with having my application approved fast - less than a month (it was probably more their light load at that time). But I think it helped somewhat.
Work:
It was quite difficult finding my first job. Nothing fits what I was doing before. So I concentrated on my transferrable skills (yung mga skills na puwede mong ma-apply in different work places). I became really creative in describing my past work experience  I went contracting and it worked. And the thing is, once you get past that first job you develop contacts with people who get to know how you work. Yung succeeding work ko, puro na galing sa mga taong nakatrabaho ko before. So siguro it's not wise to volunteer kaagad na maglinis ng kubeta. Have a little faith in yourself no matter how discouraging things can become and explore other ways...
That's my two cents worth...
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Noel,
Thanks for the Application Tip. Will try to do what you did.
If you don't mind my asking, how many jobs have you gone through since you migrated to NZ and what jobs were these?
(eg. Draftsman - 6 months; Landscape Designer - 14 month; Architect - 3 months on-going)
Not that I have these skills but just to give us a more vivid picture of what you have actually been through (I myself am actually more from a Sales and Marketing background).
Thanks,
RLA |
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mike
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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noel,
my wife and i are planning to migrate to new zealand. we're planning to hire jay shadforth of immigration law advocates ltd. here are his contact details:
JAY SHADFORTH
Immigration Law Advocates Ltd.
Telephone 3 - 313 0570. Facsimile 3 - 313 3949. PO Box 76,
Kaiapoi.
Mobile 027 268 4825 shadforth@xtra.co.nz
do you think this is a good idea?
thanks.
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