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edall77
Joined: 10 Mar 2009
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Location: Manila
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Question;
Do I need a job offer first before I apply for a WTR??? anyone please... |
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kiwipinoy
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Posts: 29
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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@chrisv, hongga dapat sinishare ang kotong.
@edall77, you dont need that to apply for wtr, you can submit your application to migrate once you've garnered enough points. kapag pumasa ka (nakumpleto lahat ng reqts) at napili ikaw ay iisyuhan ng wtr pra makapunta ng nz.
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| willie wrote: | Ok. So until now you still think that the reminder I posted was directed to you?
For the entertainment of other readers, let me start by quoting my original post.
| Quote: | | Bottomline is…be prepared & informed so you nobody can take advantage of you and don’t blame others for your carelessness and mistakes. |
Based on the questions I asked and the replies I got regarding the topic being discussed, I thought and I still believe that it was a timely reminder to people who are currently completing their documents.
“Be prepared & informed so nobody can take advantage of you.” I don’t need to explain this as this is not the sentence in question.
“Don’t blame others for your carelessness and mistakes.” Now, clearly this is directed to the people who are in the process of completing their documents. The “others” I was referring to are POEA, NAIA, Phili Immigration, NZIS, etc etc. Given the complications and requirements we need as OFW or migrant, mistakes and carelessness can happen and can we blame anybody? Even if we do, that would not solve anything and we still have to do what needs to be done. I even said in my previous posts the following: “If you’re holding on to a Philippine passport, you should follow Philippine rules and laws however hard it maybe. “ and “Sometimes seasoned OFWs forget to re-check what they are required to.” Obviously, it’s not a reminder to those who are in NZ already. How can it be for you eh you’re not only Pinoy but Kiwi as well.
| Quote: | | Nakasuhan ka ba ng you carelessly blamed others? Is that how you understand "be prepared and don't blame others for your mistakes and carelessness"? |
That is why I asked that question. I thought it would clarify that the reminder was not directed to you.
| Quote: | | And by the way, be careful too baka makasuhan ng nangongotong ka ng 15k based on sabi nung friend niya. |
I posted this to give an example of a direct implication.
If after reading this you still think I was directing the reminder to you, go and continue on begging Filipinos who want to migrate in New Zealand to point out where you made any “mistake, carelessness or blame” in any of your posts.
Now, if I have made myself clear to some people then I can point out that you made a mistake in interpreting the reminder I posted and blamed me in directing it to you. My basis?
| Quote: | careful bka makasuhan ka ng blaming others kasi ako till now hinahanap ko pa where i carelessly blamed others
- still looking where i made any "mistake, carelessness or blame" though, please help me out and find it in any of my posts....please,please |
Did I interpret your posts correctly?
But of course I don't expect you to agree with me.
Lighten up dude…yan ba uso sa diyan? |
whew! nahilo ko dun ah  , sabay pa naman ng fri afternoon tagay.
by the way we were exchanging posts, ewan ko kung sino di magaakala na tayo ay nagpapalitan ng opinyon.
this is my perception, i dont know if others would agree with me or not - you came across with a holier than thou attitude, maligning ofws who dont complete their documentation.
by backtracking readers of this thread are intelligent enough to surmise their own opinion.
...to each his own.
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how come you thought that porque asa nz na eh di na phil passport holder at di na rin ofw?
di namang kailangan sa pinas ka nagmula pra maging ofw, kung isa kang pinoy na nagtatrabaho sa ibang bayan at nagpapadala sa pinas ng parte ng iyong kinikita pra mataguyod ang pamilya mo duon - isang kang overseas filipino worker.
for your benefit at sa ating mga readers - you wont get a kiwi passport till you become a citizen (limang taong paghihintay po yun), you'll also have the benefit of changing your name if you want to ( e.g. if your name is slang for a man's genitalia in some countries ay maari mo itong mapabago).
- ayan ang liwanag ah kung kanino ko pinaparating ang post.
atsaka ewan ko sa dyan pero sa dito simple lang - chill.
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levi
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 1231
Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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The legal definition of an "OFW" or Migrant Worker under the Migrant Workers Act is a Filipino who works in a foreign country but does NOT have residency in that foreign country.
So legally, those with PR are not Migrant Workers anymore. But I am still happy and proud to wear my OFW badge - I know am paid for what I am truly worth and now able to contribute financially to our family back home. I don't need that "Bayani" crap - that's such blatant a$$-kissing on the part of the government. |
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philidor
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| levi wrote: | | I don't need that "Bayani" crap - that's such blatant a$$-kissing on the part of the government. |
hwag matakot! makibaka! kung di ngayon, kelan pa?!
naaalala ko tuloy si pipoy noong bata pa ako. sa campus sya yung lagi nasa unahan ng linya sa mga rally. pero last time ko na-hearing (looong time ago) eh malapit na ata maging deacon or pari sa pinas. not sure though.
hymn na ganito na ata ngayon....U _ naming mahal.... na daw  |
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levi
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| philidor wrote: | | levi wrote: | | I don't need that "Bayani" crap - that's such blatant a$$-kissing on the part of the government. |
hwag matakot! makibaka! kung di ngayon, kelan pa?!
naaalala ko tuloy si pipoy noong bata pa ako. sa campus sya yung lagi nasa unahan ng linya sa mga rally. pero last time ko na-hearing (looong time ago) eh malapit na ata maging deacon or pari sa pinas. not sure though.
hymn na ganito na ata ngayon....U _ naming mahal.... na daw |
Yes, sadly. We are not the darlings of the establishment so they withdrew budget for the Iskolars - Board of Regents had no choice but to raise tuition of the three largest Chapters - Dil, Manila, and LB. So a full sem now costs aroung 18k php. |
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philidor
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| levi wrote: | | philidor wrote: | | levi wrote: | | I don't need that "Bayani" crap - that's such blatant a$$-kissing on the part of the government. |
hwag matakot! makibaka! kung di ngayon, kelan pa?!
naaalala ko tuloy si pipoy noong bata pa ako. sa campus sya yung lagi nasa unahan ng linya sa mga rally. pero last time ko na-hearing (looong time ago) eh malapit na ata maging deacon or pari sa pinas. not sure though.
hymn na ganito na ata ngayon....U _ naming mahal.... na daw |
Yes, sadly. We are not the darlings of the establishment so they withdrew budget for the Iskolars - Board of Regents had no choice but to raise tuition of the three largest Chapters - Dil, Manila, and LB. So a full sem now costs aroung 18k php. |
buti pala nakabot tayo ng stfap! at stipend! |
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kiwipinoy
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Posts: 29
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| levi wrote: | | But I am still happy and proud to wear my OFW badge - I know am paid for what I am truly worth and now able to contribute financially to our family back home. I don't need that "Bayani" crap - that's such blatant a$$-kissing on the part of the government. |
yeah, kudos to that.
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willie
Joined: 21 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | this is my perception, i dont know if others would agree with me or not - you came across with a holier than thou attitude, maligning ofws who dont complete their documentation. |
A holier than thou attitude? Can you quote any post that will prove that? Something I said that I’m better than other forum members here? And when and how did I malign OFWs? Can you again prove that by quoting any of my posts? And you’re even asking others to agree with you—indirectly that is. What a style!
| Quote: | | how come you thought that porque asa nz na eh di na phil passport holder at di na rin ofw? |
Again, did I think that? When? How? Quote me if you can. I remember I said "the reminder I posted is directed to those who are currently completing their documents and not to those who are in NZ already."
| Quote: | di namang kailangan sa pinas ka nagmula pra maging ofw, kung isa kang pinoy na nagtatrabaho sa ibang bayan at nagpapadala sa pinas ng parte ng iyong kinikita pra mataguyod ang pamilya mo duon - isang kang overseas filipino worker.
for your benefit at sa ating mga readers - you wont get a kiwi passport till you become a citizen (limang taong paghihintay po yun), you'll also have the benefit of changing your name if you want to ( e.g. if your name is slang for a man's genitalia in some countries ay maari mo itong mapabago). |
What’s this got to do with the topic? Ahh you have an excuse “Friday afternoon tagay”.
I’ll give you an example. I will say that it was you who maligned people you don’t know based on hearsay. And I can prove it as per below:
| Quote: | | if its the real deal, check with POEA re everytihng you need to do and prepare - and i mean EVERYTHING. theres a scam goin on at NAIA (so what else is new), they wont allow a person to board the plane unless they had documentations proving they've gone through all those POEA ek-eks - if documents cant be produced outright, simple lang naman ang kapalit 15k pesos |
You are accusing some people in NAIA of a scam.
| Quote: | | a long time ofw friend of mine was going to dubai a few weeks ago, he was prevented from boarding the plane coz he cant show the proper docs. instead of paying the 15k theyre asking he told them he'd rather miss the flight, coz the docs would only cost a few hundred pesos at poea. |
So the accusation is based on hearsay.
| Quote: | | yup, he'd rather pay the fees at poea kaysa mapunta sa mga buwaya. he's booked to leave again soon. |
You called the NAIA people whom you don’t know “buwaya” based on your friend’s story.
| Quote: | | the issue is not whether the documents were present or not but taking advantage of the situation para makakotong. |
You seemed to be very sure of what you’ve only heard from your friend. You accused them of taking advantage of the situation para makakotong.
| Quote: | | it is not hard at all, a potential prey is easy to spot even with complete documentation (theyre after those who look nervous and unsure of what theyre doing) - i wonder if anybody made any tally on the number of legitimate ofws with proper documentation ,who were bullied by immig officers at the counter to slip a 500 peso bill when they hand their passport for stamping. |
Again, is this a first-hand experience with Phil Immigration officers? Or from a friend again? Or a friend of a friend of a neighbor?
| Quote: | oo nga korek ka dyn kaya dapat di ginagawa yan hehehehehe, lalo yung mga mahilig mandikdik ng tao.
its best to point out wrongdoings so that others are aware of it. |
You are right…this should not be done. Good thing you didn’t “dikdik” the people you don’t personally know in NAIA by accusing them of scamming OFW for 15K, calling them “buwaya” who takes advantage of the situation para makakotong. What about the immigration officers for bullying OFWs with proper documentations for 500 pesos?
With your posts as quoted word for word…Are you saying that you are a lot better person than others? Or shall I say holier than others?
Again, I don’t expect you to agree with me and of course you will be excused again baka mahilo ka na naman dahil sabay ng Monday morning tagay at chill ka lang diyan.
Peace on earth! |
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chrisv
Joined: 17 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| Bosing Willie, pwede pakilagay ng pangalan kung sino ang nag quote? Mas madali kasi para hindi na magscroll pataas.hehehe |
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chrisv
Joined: 17 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| Also, I would like to add that I myself am a victim of these so called NAIA crocs (saltwater or nile?). It is not a myth or hearsay only, but such practice and such people do exist. Pati nga sekyu sa international terminal, pag uwi ko minsan eh me parinig pa na "Bosing meri krismas naman jan", na alam naman natin kung ano ibig sabihin dba. |
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willie
Joined: 21 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Bosing Willie, pwede pakilagay ng pangalan kung sino ang nag quote? Mas madali kasi para hindi na magscroll pataas.hehehe |
No problem chrisv…It was in reaction to kiwipinoys post.
| Quote: | | Also, I would like to add that I myself am a victim of these so called NAIA crocs (saltwater or nile?). It is not a myth or hearsay only, but such practice and such people do exist. Pati nga sekyu sa international terminal, pag uwi ko minsan eh me parinig pa na "Bosing meri krismas naman jan", na alam naman natin kung ano ibig sabihin dba. |
I’m not saying it’s not happening. What I was saying is with kiwipinoy it was hearsay. If you want to share how the NAIA people victimized you then that will be first hand experience as you can really let us know what and how it happened. With the security guards, well, that’s really annoying but at least you are not forced to give.
That’s also what my reminder is all about:
Bottomline is…be prepared & informed so you nobody can take advantage of you and don’t blame others for your carelessness and mistakes.
At the end of the day, if we are prepared, we won’t worry much about someone taking advantage of us or we will be ready to answer them if they will pry on us. In my opinion, we can’t get rid of the all abusers in the word, we just have to know how to deal with them and not let them victimize us. If our documents are not complete, we only have ourselves to blame.
Apparently, kiwipinoy took it personally as he thought that is directed to him. |
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chrisv
Joined: 17 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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My "horrific" NAIA story goes like this:
It was way back in 2003 when I made my first trip abroad.In my hand was a document called an entry permit (about half the size of an A4 paper), which is similar to a tourist visa, and is one of the TWO requirements needed to enter my country of destination (the other being my passport of course).
I was at the queue where this immigration lady was checking all my docs before going to the gate, when she asked for all sorts of documents and stuff which I didnt have. Being naive and too unfamiliar with leaving abroad at that time (in addition to being nervous) I stuttered and was incoherent with my answers,as I thought that my travel was illegal. She then told me to go inside a holding room where these immigration idiots where hanging out. They interrogated me about my docs, my destination, my purpose of going there and stuff. And thats when their superior said I couldnt leave, and uttered these exact words which I could'nt forget till now: (Parinig effect pa) "Kailangan siguro ng mga P15,000 para makaalis."!!! 
Ganun kagarapal ang mga buwaya sa NAIA, so I gave them what they want and was allowed to leave and board my flight. Upon arriving, I told my cousin what happened and was shocked when he told me that my papers were legal and they had no right to hold me.
These leeches need to be put in a burning kettle as they prey on some of our kababayans. Sa panahong ito, dapat wag magpaloko (bastat legal at kumpleto lang ang mga papeles) sa mga ganid at walangyang immigration officials at mga katoto nila. Ipagdasal natin na naway matarakan sila ng limampung pulgadas na balisong ni Hudas. Emen
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wellingtonianbuddy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard so many horrific stories about poeple leaving the country through NAIA/Manila. It's repulsive.
I think it's about time that Davao (where I was born) should separate from the corrupt Philippines. I haven't heard any corruption re: people leaving the Davao International Airport. Philippines is giving Davao a bad name. |
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levi
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| wellingtonianbuddy wrote: | I've heard so many horrific stories about poeple leaving the country through NAIA/Manila. It's repulsive.
I think it's about time that Davao (where I was born) should separate from the corrupt Philippines. I haven't heard any corruption re: people leaving the Davao International Airport. Philippines is giving Davao a bad name. |
That's because your mayor is a die-hard Dirty Harry fan, with the requisite sneer on his lips and killer pistol in his person. Ya feel lucky, Punk, do ya? |
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chrisv
Joined: 17 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Well I agree to transfer the main port of entry sa pinas. Kahit saan basta't walisin lang ang mga linta at mga aswang sa immigration office sa Pinas. |
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