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levi
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Location: Auckland Central, New Zealand
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| kiwipinoy wrote: | | willie wrote: |
I’m just curious. Were the documents asked at NAIA new POEA requirements for OFWs? Is your seasoned OFW friend not aware of the additional requirements? I think the OFW should be responsible in completing all documents before the departing Manila—if your docs are complete then you don’t have to worry about anything. |
what i was told was it was part of the docs an ofw should complete as per POEA requirements (thats why it's critical to prepare all the necessary documents and have them ready for any inspection).
the issue is not whether the documents were present or not but taking advantage of the situation para makakotong.
it is important to note that the ofw in this incident was not your typical ofw who goes through the process in manila to apply for a job abroad. he is someone who moves from one job to another in diffrent countries without necessarily going back to manila at the end of a contract, so he is not updated on current documentation requirements by POEA. |
So to settle the issue once and for all, what are the current requirements/clearances various visa holders should secure before leaving the Philippines?
We should categorize the requirements into the more popular visas here in nz:
1. Work to Residence Visa -
2. Permanent Residence Visa for those lucky enough to secure this while in the Philippines -
3. Work Visa for a particular nz employer (direct hire)
4. Work Visa through Partnership -
5. Student Visa -
6. Tourist/Visitor Visa -
7. Limited Purpose Visa |
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wellingtonianbuddy
Joined: 02 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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8.Credit Card visa
ooops, mali yata. |
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simon
Joined: 21 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject: hi all! |
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good day everyone!
i have posted here before and you all have been nice enough to answer my concerns...
i can see new members on the post  good luck to you guys... i hope you find answers here as well.
just a few minutes ago i received the returned documents i filed in shanghai for the skilled migrants team. as the letter included in the documents states, they are currently reviewing my application. ganun pala kapag wala ka employer, it could take as much as 3 months for the application to be processed. and an interview is required later daw.
is this a good thing or a bad thing, judging for your own experiences? i've read in the posts before that in these cases, most likely a temporary visa is the best thing i can expect. does this idea still stand?
hoping for your replies again... thanks!!! |
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kiwipinoy
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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6. Tourist/Visitor Visa - maybe we should point out na there are 2 types, you maaring ma-extend (hay, sarap!  )and cannot be extended (meaning once your visa is up you'll have to leave nz  ).
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chrisv
Joined: 17 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| 1. Work to Residence Visa - kelangan hanap agad tlabaho, kundi paktaylo |
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willie
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | what i was told was it was part of the docs an ofw should complete as per POEA requirements (thats why it's critical to prepare all the necessary documents and have them ready for any inspection). |
Yes, I agree and as I have also posted that it’s the applicant’s responsibility to complete all legal documents.
| Quote: | | the issue is not whether the documents were present or not but taking advantage of the situation para makakotong. |
The first issue was to make sure that documents are complete. It will be hard for someone take advantage of a legal OFW or migrant with complete documents.
| Quote: | | it is important to note that the ofw in this incident was not your typical ofw who goes through the process in manila to apply for a job abroad. he is someone who moves from one job to another in diffrent countries without necessarily going back to manila at the end of a contract, so he is not updated on current documentation requirements by POEA. |
I don’t think it matters whether you are a typical OFW or not; or whether you regularly go back to Manila or not. If you’re holding on to a Philippine passport, you should follow Philippine rules and laws however hard it maybe. That’s why there are forums like this for us to know more and be informed. There are lots of corrupt people in the Philippines, but if you have done your job, you won’t have to worry about anybody taking advantage of you. Sometimes seasoned OFWs forget to re-check what they are required to.
Aside from POEA and NZ Embassy, any other agency an aspiring migrant need to go to for other requirements? |
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kiwipinoy
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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The first issue was to make sure that documents are complete. It will be hard for someone take advantage of a legal OFW or migrant with complete documents. |
it is not hard at all, a potential prey is easy to spot even with complete documentation (theyre after those who look nervous and unsure of what theyre doing) - i wonder if anybody made any tally on the number of legitimate ofws with proper documentation ,who were bullied by immig officers at the counter to slip a 500 peso bill when they hand their passport for stamping.
thats why its important to look them in the eye, courteous but not submissive.
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I don’t think it matters whether you are a typical OFW or not; or whether you regularly go back to Manila or not. ..... There are lots of corrupt people in the Philippines, but if you have done your job, you won’t have to worry about anybody taking advantage of you. Sometimes seasoned OFWs forget to re-check what they are required to. |
yes, i agree follow the rules surely.
it is not whether you did your job or not but whether the person in govt is doing his job properly or not- corrupt or otherwise. if the documents are not proper instruct the person on what to do and not take advantage of the situation to make a fast buck.
i think it does matter whether you are a typical OFW or not; or whether you regularly go back to Manila or not. for an ofw callouseness sets in as years pass of not seeing your family often but for newbies who have been out only for a few years the joy of going home even for a couple of weeks is overpowering. sometimes emotions take the better of you and you want to spend every minute with them and tend to forget things you should do as a loyal law abiding filipino.
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If you’re holding on to a Philippine passport, you should follow Philippine rules and laws however hard it maybe. That’s why there are forums like this for us to know more and be informed. |
yeah, thats why we are all here - to get kiwi passports that and for a better life of course (lets admit it, we've given up on the phil govt for that to happen).
i think its much more than just to inform and be informed of proper procedures and requirements. we should emphasize on pitfalls as well, in whatever form it may be; neglect, incompentence or corruption.
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Aside from POEA and NZ Embassy, any other agency an aspiring migrant need to go to for other requirements? |
...refer to posts elsewhere, i think these were fully covered.
- luv this vidclip
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willie
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| Bottomline is…be prepared & informed so you nobody can take advantage of you and don’t blame others for your carelessness and mistakes. |
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kiwipinoy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| willie wrote: | | Bottomline is…be prepared & informed so you nobody can take advantage of you and don’t blame others for your carelessness and mistakes. |
oo nga korek ka dyn kaya dapat di ginagawa yan hehehehehe , lalo yung mga mahilig mandikdik ng tao.
its best to point out wrongdoings so that others are aware of it.
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philidor
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| kiwipinoy wrote: | | willie wrote: | | Bottomline is…be prepared & informed so you nobody can take advantage of you and don’t blame others for your carelessness and mistakes. |
oo nga korek ka dyn kaya dapat di ginagawa yan hehehehehe , lalo yung mga mahilig mandikdik ng tao.
its best to point out wrongdoings so that others are aware of it. |
nice one kiwipinoy  |
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kiwipinoy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| philidor wrote: | | kiwipinoy wrote: | | willie wrote: | | Bottomline is…be prepared & informed so you nobody can take advantage of you and don’t blame others for your carelessness and mistakes. |
oo nga korek ka dyn kaya dapat di ginagawa yan hehehehehe , lalo yung mga mahilig mandikdik ng tao.
its best to point out wrongdoings so that others are aware of it. |
nice one kiwipinoy |
thanks...oist! careful bka makasuhan ka ng blaming others kasi ako till now hinahanap ko pa where i carelessly blamed others. 
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willie
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Nakasuhan ka ba ng you carelessly blamed others? Is that how you understand "be prepared and don't blame others for your mistakes and carelessness"? Good comprehension! Hehehe And by the way, be careful too baka makasuhan ng nangongotong ka ng 15k based on sabi nung friend niya...how do you call that? Ahh hear say. Ingat ka.  |
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kiwipinoy
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| willie wrote: | | Nakasuhan ka ba ng you carelessly blamed others? Is that how you understand "be prepared and don't blame others for your mistakes and carelessness"? Good comprehension! Hehehe And by the way, be careful too baka makasuhan ng nangongotong ka ng 15k based on sabi nung friend niya...how do you call that? Ahh hear say. Ingat ka. |
ouch! may "nana" oh.... lighten up dude
censya na po kasi ganyan talaga kaming karabaw ingles lang hehehehehe, kulang sa pahalaga.
joking aside , i wish to apologize to this thread for my insolence. please accept my humblest apologizes
- still looking where i made any "mistake, carelessness or blame" though, please help me out and find it in any of my posts....please,please
Filipinos who want to migrate in New Zealand...mga koya at ati bka makita nyo - pakipoint naman po.
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willie
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Ok. So until now you still think that the reminder I posted was directed to you?
For the entertainment of other readers, let me start by quoting my original post.
| Quote: | | Bottomline is…be prepared & informed so you nobody can take advantage of you and don’t blame others for your carelessness and mistakes. |
Based on the questions I asked and the replies I got regarding the topic being discussed, I thought and I still believe that it was a timely reminder to people who are currently completing their documents.
“Be prepared & informed so nobody can take advantage of you.” I don’t need to explain this as this is not the sentence in question.
“Don’t blame others for your carelessness and mistakes.” Now, clearly this is directed to the people who are in the process of completing their documents. The “others” I was referring to are POEA, NAIA, Phili Immigration, NZIS, etc etc. Given the complications and requirements we need as OFW or migrant, mistakes and carelessness can happen and can we blame anybody? Even if we do, that would not solve anything and we still have to do what needs to be done. I even said in my previous posts the following: “If you’re holding on to a Philippine passport, you should follow Philippine rules and laws however hard it maybe. “ and “Sometimes seasoned OFWs forget to re-check what they are required to.” Obviously, it’s not a reminder to those who are in NZ already. How can it be for you eh you’re not only Pinoy but Kiwi as well.
| Quote: | | Nakasuhan ka ba ng you carelessly blamed others? Is that how you understand "be prepared and don't blame others for your mistakes and carelessness"? |
That is why I asked that question. I thought it would clarify that the reminder was not directed to you.
| Quote: | | And by the way, be careful too baka makasuhan ng nangongotong ka ng 15k based on sabi nung friend niya. |
I posted this to give an example of a direct implication.
If after reading this you still think I was directing the reminder to you, go and continue on begging Filipinos who want to migrate in New Zealand to point out where you made any “mistake, carelessness or blame” in any of your posts.
Now, if I have made myself clear to some people then I can point out that you made a mistake in interpreting the reminder I posted and blamed me in directing it to you. My basis?
| Quote: | careful bka makasuhan ka ng blaming others kasi ako till now hinahanap ko pa where i carelessly blamed others
- still looking where i made any "mistake, carelessness or blame" though, please help me out and find it in any of my posts....please,please |
Did I interpret your posts correctly?
But of course I don't expect you to agree with me.
Lighten up dude…yan ba uso sa diyan? |
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chrisv
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| OI bad yan pangongotong ha, lalo na pag hindi nag share sa nakotong na pera |
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